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Mystery Wellington unit

Mystery Wellington unit
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
14:32:40 01 July 2001
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Matt Poole

feb2944.A T.aol.com

Mystery Wellington unit

Sat Jun 30 08:43:11 2001

I'm puzzled by a w/op's logbook which gives no RAF unit for 13 Wellington ops in 1943. The pilot for all but the 4 Sept op was a F/Sgt Arnold, who had just completed 15 OTU with this w/op on 24 Aug. Before flying to India in early Oct, they flew these ops together. ANY SOLID EVIDENCE OF THEIR UNIT?? The logbook does have a link to 301 FTU: 15 Sept to 1 Oct. I don't get it...

*Leaflet

+Bombing

AUG 29 Paris*, 31 Dieppe+ (3 a/c lost),

SEPT 3 Boulogne+, 4 Boulogne*, 7 Brest*, 10 Lyon*, 16 Dusseldorf+, 17 Dusseldorf+ (4 a/c missing. Attacked. Me410, r/gnr killed), 19 Nancy+, 21 Cherbourg*, 23 Essen*, 25 Cherbourg* (Hit by flak over target. Bomb bay blown open. Port wing severely damaged. Attacked by 2 Ju88s over Channel. Shot one down. Sbd engine on fire. Ditched 20 mi from the Needles. ASR launch found dinghy 13 hrs after takeoff.)

Thanks for help,

Matt

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Puzzling!
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
14:34:36 01 July 2001
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RodM

rmackenzie.A T.hotmail.com

Puzzling!

Sat Jun 30 19:26:11 2001

Dear Matt,

as Chris points out, these sorties don't match entries in Middlebrook's, "Bomber Command War Diaries".

However, can anyone check Chorley's "Bomber Command Losses" for an O.T.U. Wellington lost on or around the 25th September 1943, piloted by F/Sgt. Arnold?

Regards

Rod

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Wimpy O.T.U. Losses
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
14:36:16 01 July 2001
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Chris Charland

ccharlan.A T.vianet.on.ca

Wimpy O.T.U. Losses

Sat Jun 30 22:08:56 2001

Hi Rod

Two Wimpies were lost on the night of the 30th/31st 1943 and another Wimpy on the night of the 23rd/24th 1943. There were no other Wellington O.T.U. losses for the remainder of the year. Flight Sergeant Arnold was not a member of any of the three crews lost.

I also checked the C.W.G.C. site for 1942 and 1943. None of the Arnolds listed were associated with Operational Training Units.

Cheers...Chris

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Ooops !
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
14:37:31 01 July 2001
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Chris Charland

ccharlan.A T.vianet.on.ca

Ooops !

Sat Jun 30 22:12:21 2001

Hi Rod

I forgot to mention the months of the Wimpy O.T.U. crashes. Two were lost on the night of the 30th/31st of August 1943, while the other was on the night of the 23rd/24th of September 1943.

Cheers...Chris

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O.T.U. Losses
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
14:38:46 01 July 2001
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RodM

rmackenzie.A T.hotmail.com

O.T.U. Losses

Sun Jul 1 11:03:55 2001

Chris,

I take it that the Wimpy lost on the night of the 24th/25th September was not flown by F/Sgt. Arnold and did not ditch...

From what Matt has said, the W/Op along with F/Sgt. Arnold and possibly other members of their crew were posted to India.

Regards

Rod

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Ops ?
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
14:40:23 01 July 2001
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ccharlan:vianet.on.ca

Ops ?

Sat Jun 30 16:26:10 2001

Hi Matte

I cross-checked the dates that indicated bombing sorties and can not match any of them with anything in the Bomber Command diaries.

For example, on the night of September 2/3 1943, 30 Wellingtons from a number of O.T.U.'s were part of a force of aircraft which included 6 Mossies and 5 'Pathfinder' Lancs which struck an ammunition dump in the Foret de Mormal. There is no mention of Boulogne.

On the night of September 3/4, 1943, the target was the 'Big City'. A small number of minor ops also took place that night which along with 6 Mossies and 6 Hallibags, involved 32 Wellingtons from various O.T.U.'s. They hit an ammunition dump in the Forest de Raismes near Valenciennes.

Here again, there is no mention of Boulogne.

Sounds like a real mystery to me !!!!

Cheers...Chris

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RE: Mystery Wellington unit
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
14:41:35 01 July 2001
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Matt Poole

feb2944.A T.aol.com

Slight clarification

Sat Jun 30 09:13:43 2001

The 301 FTU reference I mentioned in the first message only appears at the beginning of the w/op's logbook, on a "Units at which served" chronological listing. The two notations here which cover the dates of the mystery ops are:

No 15 OTU From 15.6.43 to 23[?].8.43

No 301 FTU From 15.9.43 to 1.10.43

He departed for India by Wellington on 1.10.43.

I'd have to guess that the mystery ops were flown for either 15 OTU or 301 FTU. Leaflet dropping was the task most nights.

Put your thinking caps on...mine is threadbare.

Matt

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Mystery Ops
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
14:43:58 01 July 2001
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N.John Hooper 10 Sqdn RAF

jonmon.A T.strato.net

Mystery Ops

Sat Jun 30 14:27:01 2001

Hi Matt: As a W/Op who trained at 15 OTU on Wellingtons in July-Aug 1943 I can tell you that no crew did more than one "Nickel" (Leaflet Raid) as part of their training.The

Ferry training certainly would not contain "Operations" The

task is mainly to prepare the aircraft for the area of duty,

air filters, oil,equipment, etc. The aircrew (remember it was a crew following the training at 15 OTU) would mostly

train in navigation and radio procedures and skills with

some X-Country testing.I would discount any operations flown between those periods. Did the W/Op come straight from

Radio School (Yatesbury or Compton Basset?) or from an Nav

Training Unit? Or was he recycled from a previous crew?

email me with any further clues if you like

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