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WAGs and WOps

WAGs and WOps
Author: Chris (Guest)
Time Stamp:
16:28:01 04 July 2001
Post:
Would be curious to hear the opinions of those who wore the following aircrew brevets: AG, WAG, and S.

I've seen the following configurations of badging in various photos and was curious as to the timeframe they were used:

AG halfwing on breast and wireless op patch on left arm (fist holding lightning bolts)

AG halfwing above breast pocket

S halfwing above breast pocket.

WAG halfwing above breast pocket

I'm aware of the modification to the training course which turned out "straight AG's" -- gunners not receiving training in wireless ops.

My assumption being that the WAG wing was then awarded to graduates of the "complete" course of AG and wireless training.

Would those folks completing only the wireless ops portion receive the "S" halfwing?

RCAF seems to have a similar series of wings although I've not seen any photos or an RCAF "S" halfwing. They seem to have stayed with the "AG" and "WAG" designs.

RAAF has "AG" and "S" halfwings but I've not seen any RAAF "WAG" halfwings in any photos.

Any gen on the above would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Chris


RE: WAGs and WOps
Author: N.John Hooper (Guest)
Time Stamp:
13:12:49 05 July 2001
Post:
The "WAG" brevet, or half wing, was peculiar to the RCAF, and not authorized in any other Commonwealth air force. The training for Wireless Operators who wore the "Flash" badge on their arm above their rank was the same for ground and aircrews. The Wop/AG

who was given only basic gunnery training ON THE GROUND was awarded the "AG" brevet. After early 1944 the "Flash" was dropped for aircrew and an alternate brevet was designed, namely

the "S" for Signaller. The gunnery training was discontinued for

W/Ops who had taken on more tasks in the air operational bomber

crew, typically "Window" dropping, airborne jamming,etc. After

a brief romance with the Master Aircrew ranks the job of the "S"

man grew into the "AEO" brevet for those who stayed in the RAF

into the "Jet" period.(From an "old lag" who was there)

new email jonmon.A T.strato.net


RE: WAGs and WOps
Author: BUZ (Guest)
Time Stamp:
10:14:03 07 July 2001
Post:
Chris

I also noted that AG were put out without doing the Wireless part of the course. My Grandfather was one. Intrestingly he later went to 1RS (Which I believe is 1 Radio school). Later on his paperwork he was noted as FSGT AG/AC2 RO. This was during 1945. Can you help with possible information on why this would have occured

Buz


RE: WAGs and WOps
Author: N.John Hooper (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:07:15 07 July 2001
Post:
Hi Buz: I note that his Radio operator rank was AC2 (Aircraftsman 2nd Class) and he was possibly retrained in 1945.

If he were ex-aircrew he would not retain his rank in a new trade

but rather be referred to as a F/Sgt with AC2 rating as a Radio Operator.He would be required to cover up his "tapes" for official duties. Curious isn't it? Does it make sense? No, it drove good men from the RAF in 1945-46


RE: WAGs and WOps
Author: Chris Charland (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:31:06 09 July 2001
Post:
Hi Buz

Here's a little wartime background on the radio school.

No.1 Radio School was formed at R.A.F. Station Cranwell, Lincolnshire on the 10th of March 1941. It's role was training wireless operator pupils. On the 1st of January 1943, No.1 Radio School was re-designated as No.8 Radio School.

On the same day (1st of January 1943), it was reformed as No.1 Radio School at Cranwell from the former No.1 Signals School. No.1 R.S. was now administered by No.27 Group, R.A.F. Technical Training Command.

The school's wartime training aircraft included these types:

Percival Proctor Mk.I and II and III

de Havilland Mosquito Mk.II

Handley Page Halifax B.Mk.VI

de Havilland Tiger Moth Mk.II

Miles Magister Mk.I

de Havilland D.H.89A Dominie (Rapide)

Blackburn Botha

Lockheed Hudson Mk.I

Hawker Hurricane Mk.I and Mk.IIb