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Mystery airman?

Mystery airman?
Author: Alan
Time Stamp:
18:29:34 16 August 2001
Post:
I have been trying to get some info together for a researcher on another forum and have come up with a mystery, it concerns a Canadian airman by the name of T.D. Scott of 432sqdn. I have him in my copies of 432 Ops book pages as R/267359 Sgt T.D. Scott "missing" on ops 15/3/45, yet the only T.D. Scott of 432sqdn on the CWGC web-site was J/95497 Pilot Officer T.D. Scott who died 3/4/45. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


RE: Mystery airman?
Author: Alan
Time Stamp:
18:31:38 16 August 2001
Post:
By the way, both are listed as Air/Gunners.


RE: Mystery airman?
Author: Stein Meum (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:46:07 16 August 2001
Post:
All I've got is this from Chorley's "Bomber Command Losses":

15/16 March 1945

Halifax B.Mk. VII,MP689 QO-M

T/O 1707 hrs East Moor.Sgt. Scott bailed out successfully but on 3rd April he was murdered by the Gestapo and buried at Hagen (Remberg)Friedhof.With the others who died,he now rests in the Reichswald Forest War Cemetary.

Crew:

F/O S.M. Bonter RCAF +

Sgt. D. Colquhoun +

F/O H.E. Vachon RCAF POW

F/O A.T. Hinchliffe RCAF POW

WO2 E.E.V. Anderson RCAF POW

Sgt D.C. Lawton RCAF +

Sgt T.D. Scott RCAF +

Hope this helps,

Stein



RE: Mystery airman?
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
20:14:40 16 August 2001
Post:
Hi Alan,

The RCAF details on the CWGC are usually a rank above they held when killed. The serial change is normal for a promotion from airman R/**** to officer J/****.

Its quite possible that the two sets of detail are for the same airman.

Regards

Ross


RE: Mystery airman? Thanks.
Author: Alan
Time Stamp:
04:57:58 17 August 2001
Post:
Stein/Ross,

Thank you both for your help, it,ll be a great help for my next visit to PRO, i can even see a possible link to a War cime file in the PRO catalogue,WO 309/116, the killing of a Canadian airman at Hagen


RE: Mystery airman? Thanks.
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
14:48:01 17 August 2001
Post:
Hi Alan,

"Hagen" is not mentioned in the war crime files (unfortunately there's no trial if there's no perpetrator known by name).

Regards.

Henk.


RE: Mystery airman? Thanks.
Author: Alan
Time Stamp:
15:25:56 17 August 2001
Post:
Hi Henk,

I've got a ref number WO 309/116 from War Crimes file, for the killing of a Canadian airman at Waldfrieden/Hagen, i've got to go to the PRO to look at some Sqdn Ops books in a couple of weeks so i thought i'd check the ref number out.

Thanks Alan.


RE: Mystery airman? Thanks.
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
15:46:16 17 August 2001
Post:
Hi Alan,

Sgt Thomas Delmar SCOTT, RCAF R/267359 is the same as P/O T.D. SCOTT, RCAF J/95497. He was from Piccher Creek, Alberta.

You are correct that file # 309/116 refers to Waldfrieden, Hagen (shooting of Canadian airman). Also check at your PRO visit:

# 309/771 - Killing of Canadian airman. Location Hagen.

# 309/772 - Ditto

# 309/940 - Ditto

# 309/1529 - Ditto. (End of March 1945 a Canadian Pilot was captured and kept in jail in Hagen. Some days later he was taken to a sports hall together with 10 Hungerians who had been sentenced to death for looting where all came into the custody of the Gestapo. All were marched to the edge of a bomb crater and shot. The Gestapochef was hanged. (This killing took place on or about 03Apr45).

The info on case 1529 is from a book, ever published in Germany (sorry have no copy), regarding trials after the war at Hameln.

Regards.

Henk.


RE: Mystery airman? Thanks.
Author: Alan
Time Stamp:
16:36:06 17 August 2001
Post:
Henk,

Many thanks for the extra info, all i know is that the Police Chief of Hagen was executed for the crime.

Cheers......Alan.


RE: Mystery airman? Thanks.
Author: Hugh A. Halliday (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:54:50 17 August 2001
Post:
Confirmed - the "two" Scotts are the same man, with diferent service numbers as NCO and commissioned officer. Born 8 June 1915; enlisted in Calgary, Alberta, 9 September 1943; posted to No.3 Bombing and Ginnery School, Macdonald, Manitoba, 25 February 1944; graduated as air gunner and promoted Sergeant, 19 May 1944; to Y Depot, Halifax, for embarcation, 30 June 1944; taken on strength of No.3 Personnel Reception Centre, Bournemouth, 11 July 1944. Somehow I have neglected to note when he was commissioned (and changed numbers).


RE: Mystery airman?
Author: Alan
Time Stamp:
09:53:07 18 August 2001
Post:
Hugh,

Thanks for the info, i can start with 3PRC now and follow on from there, thanks to Henk as well it looks like the War Crimes file i'm after is the last one on his list as this ties in with the date of death with CWGC.