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264 Squadron

264 Squadron
Author: Collyerswaroll
Time Stamp:
21:59:51 23 May 2003
Post:
I've got to thank one and all for all the information that has helped me with this research so far.

I'm now getting down to the difficult RAF casualties.

Stanley Bernard Johnson 747782 died 31/5/1940 aged 37. Seems a bit old for aircrew. Commemerated on Runneymede. all and any info appreciated

TIA

Phil


RE: 264 Squadron
Author: Chris_Pointon
Time Stamp:
09:28:34 24 May 2003
Post:
On that day 264 Sqdn were operating Defiants from Duxford - a reader with 'Fighter Command losses' or 'The Defiant File' could at least establish whether there was a loss that day.

Chris



RE: 264 Squadron
Author: Chris_Pointon
Time Stamp:
09:52:17 24 May 2003
Post:
There could be a connection here with Nicholas Gresham COOKE, [DFC] Flt. Lt., 264 Sqdn., R.A.F., d 31/5/1940, age 26, commemorated: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL Surrey, United Kingdom. Son of Arthur Cooke, and of Lucy Vivien Cooke, of Cambridge.

Chris



RE: 264 Squadron
Author: John Larder (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:37:55 27 May 2003
Post:
Crewed with Young November 1939. Claims:

12/5/40 Ju88

27/5/40 Bf109E (Shared)

He111 (Shared)

28/5/40 Bf109E

29/5/40 Bf109E

Bf110

Bf110 (Shared)

Ju87 (Shared with 2 others)

Ju87 (Shared with 2 others)

Ju88 (Shared)

31/5/40 Bf109E

Source Aces High - Shores/Williams


RE: 264 Squadron
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
12:43:11 24 May 2003
Post:
This loss was from the early part of the war when gunners were ground crew of the squadron who were paid extra to act as operational Air Gunners. On the day of his death he was an LAC. By the time it was recorded all Air Gunners were automatically promoted to Sergeant.

Defiant 1, L6890

P/O M H Young

LAC B Johnson

Both baled out after collision with L6961. Dunkerque, France.

Regards

Ross



RE: 264 Squadron
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
17:22:44 24 May 2003
Post:
Oops.

Meant to say pilot abandoned. Gunner failed to leave aircraft and was trapped in turret.

I agree with Steve, many entries from Franks need confirmation.

Regards

Ross


RE: 264 Squadron
Author: Steve (Guest)
Time Stamp:
12:54:05 24 May 2003
Post:
Franks FCL, Vol. 1, lists he following 264 Squadron losses on 31 May 1940:

Defiant 1, L6986, Patrol, shot down by Me 109 off Belgian coast.

- Hickman, G. L., 19, Plt. Off., KIA, buried in Belgium

- Fidler, A., 27, Leading Aircraftman, KIA, buried in Belgium

Defiant 1, L6961, Patrol, collided with L6980 (below) and force-landed on the beach.

- Whitley, D., Plt. Off., safe (but KIA 28 August 1940)

- Turner, (no initials), Leading Aircraftman, safe (but KIA 28 August 1940)

Defiant 1, L6980, Patrol, both pilots bailed out after collision with L6961 (above)

- Young, M. H., Plt. Off., safe

- Johnson, (no initials), Leading Aircraftman, safe

Although the last entry, Johnson, has no initials, he would appear to be 'your' Johnson, but it is interesting to note that he is listed as having safely bailed out.

I would suggest that a look at the Squadron's ORB will be necessary to clear this up. One possibility is that Franks' info is inaccurate, another is that he was involved in a further incident later that day.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but hope this is of interest.

Regards

Steve


RE: 264 Squadron
Author: Collyerswaroll
Time Stamp:
10:22:02 25 May 2003
Post:
Thanks to one and all. Every little piece of info helps to piece together the puzzle, e.g. the info ref ground crew being 'used' as gunners.

Phil



RE: 264 Squadron
Author: Chris_Pointon
Time Stamp:
00:24:30 26 May 2003
Post:
Phil - I had the opportunity today to refer to a book 'Turret Fighters' by Alec Brew which goes into detail on the activities of 264 Sqdn on the 31st May 1940.

L.A.C. S.B. Johnson the Air Gunner did not bale out and died in the wreckage of his Defiant when it hit the sea - the Pilot P/O M.H. Young did bale out and was picked up a short time later by a naval ship in the Channel and continued to fly with the Squadron. P/O D. Whitley with his Air Gunner L.A.C. Turner force landed on a beach at Dunkerque and were successful in returning to England.

I referred in an earlier posting to Fl/Lt N.G. Cooke who was also lost that day with his Air Gunner Cpl A. Lippet - in the LG of 14th June the former was awarded a D.F.C. and the latter a D.F.M for shooting down 8 enemy aircraft over the course of 2 days earlier in the month.

In the book on page 61 is a very good photo taken on the 29th May of all the Air Gunners mentioned in these postings.

Chris