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Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command

Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:13:24 Sunday, February 1, 2004
Post:
Dear all,

I'm looking for any kind of info about Royal Yugoslav pilots and crews in Bomber Command service during WW2. I know about Nebojsa "Neb" Kujundzic from 103. sqn. There was also a lot of Yugoslav airmen flying in 13 and 55 sqn., Desert Air Force. Is there anyone who can help me?

Regards,

Alex,

Yugoslav Royal Air Club "Falcon"

Belgrade


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Don Clark (Guest)
Time Stamp:
04:07:16 Monday, March 1, 2004
Post:
In 1941 201 Group of RAF Middle East Command (designated as "Naval Cooperation") included No 2 (Yugoslav) Squadron, with the remaining JKRV Dornier 22 floatplanes and the one remaining Sim 14.

Air Historical Branch RAF Narrative: Middle East Campaigns, Volume VI - Operations in Greece (UKPRO AIR41/28 48457) shows that four Savoia S79s, two Dornier Do17s and three Lockheed L10 Electras were withdrawn to Heliopolis via Crete, in addition to the squadron of Dornier Do22 floatplanes at Alexandria.

Shores also discusses the evacuation of JKRV aircraft (eg p260) but gives no crew details, other than a bare summary that about 40 JKRV and Naval Aviation pilots flew out of Yugoslavia, and that about 200 airmen escaped by land and sea.

According to "A King's Heritage - Memoirs of King Peter II" HRH Peter (Karageorgevic), 700 airmen all told, including 300 pilots, were transferred to Amman in Jordan. Peter was critical of the initial use made of Yugoslav aircrew in the Middle East.

According to Moyes, "Bomber Squadrons of the RAF & their Aircraft", 55 Sqdn proudly claim that one of their aircraft was the last to bomb in the Italian campaign: Boston V BZ629 piloted by PO M Vracaric attacked a rail crossing near Gemona at 22.30hrs 30 April 1945.

Perhaps The Desert Air Force (R Owen) might help, too. I also understand there may have been a Yugoslave Spitfire unit.

I hope this helps. I seem to be missing a lot more connections recently than I once did - there may be some more obvious sources that I've simply missed.


2 (Jugoslav) Squadron postscript
Author: Don Clark (Guest)
Time Stamp:
04:30:54 Monday, March 1, 2004
Post:
It turns out that the Do22s were initially under the control of 230 Squadron, the Sunderland unit that worked so hard in Greece and Crete.

There is an in-print history of 230 Squadron which may shed some light on this period

Hunt Like a Tiger: 230 Squadron at War 1939-45

Tom Docherty

ISBN 1-903953-37-5

Woodfield Publishing



RAF Yugoslav Squadrons and aircraft
Author: Don Clark (Guest)
Time Stamp:
05:46:24 Monday, March 1, 2004
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The other Yugoslav RAF Squadrons were Nos 351 and 352, formed in Jul 44 and Apr 44 respectively and transferred to Jugoslav control in Jun 1945. 351 operated Hurricanes (IIc and IV), 352 operated Hurricane IIcs and the Spitfire VB and VC.

Secondly, the fate of some of the JKRV aircraft:

S.79

4 arrived at Heliopolis in April 1941. Impressed into RAF service and reserialled AX702 to AX705. Converted for desert operations, 3 served with 117 Sqdn, while AX705 served with 2PRU at Heliopolis, and was damaged in a crash-landing there 1942. AX703 destroyed crash landing at Takoradi Nov 41 following an engine failure.

Rogojarski SIM XIV-H Srs 1

Re-serialled AX716, No 157 of 2 (Jugoslav) Sqdn had arrived at Heliopolis Jun 41. Subsequently used on AntiSubmarine patrols, the a/c was lost in a sandstorm over the sea, following engine failure. Of the 4 crew, only the Observer survived the subsequent ditching. There may have been a 2nd SIM.

Do 22/See

The 8 a/c were also allocated RAF serials (but not readily available). Transferred to 2 (Jugoslav) Sqdn from 230 Squadron in March 1942

Lastly, personnel.

It might be possible for someone in the UK (and a board contributor) to examine the Operations Record Books for the various Squadrons, as the ORB Daily Summaries identify operations aircraft and aircrew. The amount of material for 2 Jugoslav 351 Jugoslav and 352 Jugoslave Sqdns may be conveniently small. For 13, 55, 117 and 230 Squadrons there may be quite a lot more material to sift through.

You could try checking PROCAT, the Public Record Office on-line catalogue, to check for whether a file reference exists first

Public Record Office, UK

PRO Home

http://www.pro.gov.uk

PROCAT

http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk

A quick check suggests that ORBs may exist for at least 351 and 352 Sqdns, in the expected class (AIR 27).

Then again, while it is not surprising that there is no record of a postwar (UK) Association for 351, 352 or 2 Jugoslav Sqdns, there are ex-member Associations for 55, 117 and 230 Squadrons. 13 Squadron is a serving unit of the RAF. These organisations might be able to assist with information about Jugoslav WWII members. Details of the organisations can be found at

British & Commonwealth Air Unit Register

http://www.associations.rafinfo.org.uk/



RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF
Author: Don Clark (Guest)
Time Stamp:
08:33:46 Monday, March 1, 2004
Post:
Aleksandar,

This has been an interesting project for a baking hot Saturday afternoon, some of which I can build into my own work.

Squadrons

I've omitted to mention that there are brief histories for 351 and 352 Yugoslav Sqdns in the Mediterranean/Balkans on the RAF site, here

http://www.raf.mod.uk/squadrons/index.html

Personnel

Also, in a late development via an obscure route, it appears that some JKRV men had an association with 94 Squadron - a Hurricane unit at the time of the evacuation, later with Kittyhawks and Spitfires - and associated with Cyrenaica, Tripoli etc - ie just right for any fighter men and in the right place at the right time.

I'm looking further into the source, but for the moment, it identifies a number of JKRV men, from the following description perhaps just before their transfer to 351 or 352 Sqn on their formation in Libya:

No 94 Squadron RAF Middle East c1944. Last Days of B Flight pilots from Royal Yugoslav Air Force attached to RAF during the war. CO was Sqn Ldr Foskett DFC of Melbourne who was KIA over Greece: Babic T, Bera M, Boskovic Z, Dedic S, Djordjavic R, Dokmanovic S, Illic M, Jaksic R, Manojlovic P, Stanic D DFC, Terak E, Veljkovic Z, Vlah N.

It should be possible to look up Stanic' DFC in either the London Gazette on-line

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk

(or if Greg can stand yet another trip to the bookcase) Carter and Carter.

Leaving aside the whole complexity of Yugoslav/Balkan resistance and associated Allied arrangements to train volunteers in Italy, that's all I have for the moment. If my enquiries bear further fruit I'll post...again!


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF
Author: Greg
Time Stamp:
11:15:54 Monday, March 1, 2004
Post:
Hi Guys,

A bit of a puzzler this one. Stanic is not listed in the main body of "The DFC and how it was won" by Carter, and nor is he listed in the section for honourary awards at the end of volume 2, in the Yugoslavian section (nor indeed under any of the other countries - i checked *just* in case!!).

I think we need one of the people who are rather more expert on the medal gen to give us a pointer now :-)

L/O

Greg

"You can take the boy out of Wales,

But you can't take Wales out of the boy..."


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF
Author: Don Clark (Guest)
Time Stamp:
08:13:46 Thursday, April 1, 2004
Post:
Thanks again Greg.

Stanic does not come up in the London Gazette, either, though that is not conclusive. I checked, too, the American Distiguished Flying Cross Society site and also drew a blank.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
23:44:35 Saturday, May 1, 2004
Post:
Hi Greg,

I know for sure that Stanic is not on DFC list. I know for Miljko Vracaric and Augustin Groselj, both from 55 squadron. Are there more Yugoslav names on DFC list?

Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Aleks


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
00:02:04 Friday, January 16, 2004
Post:
Hello Greg,

I'll ask you again, kindly, for your help. Is there any more Yugoslav names on DFC list except Miljko Vracaric and August Groselj?

Cheers,

Aleks

"You can take Wales out of the boy,

But you can't take the answer out of Greg..."


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:54:52 Monday, March 1, 2004
Post:
Hi Don,

thank you very much for huge answer. I'm preparing some questions for you if you don't mind. But I'll do it for tommorow, because I don't have time right now.

Happy New Year,

and thank you again.

Aleks


Further information
Author: Don Clark (Guest)
Time Stamp:
08:24:29 Thursday, April 1, 2004
Post:
Sure, Aleks. Post here or email me here, whichever you prefer

http://members.aardvark.net.au/clardo/a_email1.jpg


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aidan (Guest)
Time Stamp:
12:48:13 Monday, March 1, 2004
Post:
I have some information on Neb Kujundzic and am in contact with an ex-airman with whom he trained.

Do you want to know any more?

Best wishes,

Aidan


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:26:34 Monday, March 1, 2004
Post:
I have the name of a Yugoslavian Pilot of 352 Sqdn on file and really would like to know the serial number of his Spifire. P/O Franja KLUZ - 178171 based at Canne/Italy was killed in action 14-9-1944 and lies buried Beograd War Cemetery.

Best wishes for the New Year.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:45:43 Monday, March 1, 2004
Post:
Hi Hank,

I think that I have the serials of Franjo Kluz Spitfire back at my home in Belgrade. I'm on vacation right now.I'll get them to you as soon as possible.Leave it with me.

P.S

Major Franjo Kluz was posthumly decorated by communists to National hero.But after he was KIA, RAF special service was the one who burried him at Belgrade War cemetery with the inscription on his grave : Per aspera ad astra, sounds familiar to you? If you need anything else, just ask for it. Combat diary of 351 & 352 sqn. are in Military Historian Institute in Belgrade.

Happy New Year,

Aleks


Pilot Officer Franjo Kluz RAFVR 178171
Author: Don Clark (Guest)
Time Stamp:
08:10:53 Thursday, April 1, 2004
Post:
In case you're not familiar with the work of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission

http://www.cwgc.org/

here are P/O Kluz' commemoration details from the CWGC site

http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2224251

and in the form of the CWGC "certificate"

http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/certificate.aspx?casualty=2224251

and details of the Belgrade (Beograd) War Cemetery

http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2009050

RAF personnel headstones bear the badge of the Royal Air Force and the motto: Per Ardua Ad Astra

Variously: Through adversity to the stars

OR: Through arduous effort to the stars

The CWGC search facility is a very good on-line resource, however, it does not in its current form allow for searches by unit.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
18:35:40 Thursday, April 1, 2004
Post:
Thanks for your help Aleks. Do hope you had good season hollidays. Best wishes for the New Year and regards from Holland,

Henk.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
23:40:26 Saturday, May 1, 2004
Post:
Hi Henk,

I promised you serial number of major Franjo Kluz Spitfire.

It was Mk VC trop version, serial JK-967. Single coded leter of his Spitfire is still unknown.

I'm still on vacation but I asked good friend of mine for help.

That's all,

Regards,

Aleks


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
17:42:29 Tuesday, June 1, 2004
Post:
Thanks for the serial (Franjo KLUZ). As long as there's money go on and enjoy the holidays !

Regards,

Henk.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
18:28:18 Tuesday, June 1, 2004
Post:
Hello Aleks, it's me oncemore................

Air Britain has for serial JK967: 4 SAAF sqn - lost 16-9-1944. Please have another look when you're back home.

Enjoy the holidays,

Henk.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
20:42:02 Tuesday, June 1, 2004
Post:
Hi Henk,

I called my friend in Belgrade and changed few "nice" words with him. But I must tell you that he was absolutely right.

Official records:

source: Military Archive - Belgrade

* Operational reports - 351 & 352 squadron, original version on Enlish and Serbian language.

* Daily reports from same units on English and Serbian language.

Date: 24.september 1944, major Franjo Kluz was shot down by German AA fire. A/C serial JK - 967.

Serial number of Franjo Kluz a/c is mentioned at least in 4 reports.

Regards,

Aleks



RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
20:35:59 Thursday, July 1, 2004
Post:
Hi Aleks,

Thanks for the double check. Again evidence that Air Britain is not always a reliable source.

Best regards,

Henk.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:29:17 Monday, March 1, 2004
Post:
Hi Aidan,

thanks for your answer. I'm very interested.If it's easier you may contact me via e-mail royalprm.A T.eunet.yu or over the board, as you like.

Happy New Year and thanks again.

Aleks


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: John Larder (Guest)
Time Stamp:
08:56:40 Tuesday, June 1, 2004
Post:
Alex

I have the Commonwealth War Graves Commission list of Yugoslav airmen, the infoprmation is not as detailed as RAF, RCAF etc. but I will forward it to you tonight when I get home tonight.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: John Larder (Guest)
Time Stamp:
09:11:57 Thursday, July 1, 2004
Post:
Alex

There are 37 Yugoslavs on the CWGC records. 15 in North Africa, 13 in Italy, 6 in Malta, 2 in Southern Africa, 1 in Crete and 1 in the UK. I have details on the Cretan burial as to Sq etc but I will check the rest as no Squadron details are provided on my list from CWGC.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
16:42:22 Thursday, July 1, 2004
Post:
Hi John,

Thank's a lot for your message. It seems that you have some information that I don't. I'm very anxious to see your list of names, and if it's possible with squadron and other details.

Best wishes,

Aleks


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: John Larder (Guest)
Time Stamp:
23:02:25 Thursday, July 1, 2004
Post:
Aleks

About the only positive airman I can identify is I. Beran who was a member of Liberator BZ891 from 178 Squadron lost on a mining trip and buried in Suda Bay Cemetery, Crete.

The others are:

Algeria

Milan Mitrich killed 26/8/44 buried in Dely Ibrahim War Cem. Several RAF aircrew killed same day.

Franc Cok killed 19/12/43 buried in El Alia Cem. 1 RAF Ground crew member killed same day.

S.D. Nikolic killed 4/10/44 buried in Le Petit Lac Cem. No other loss on that date in cem.

Egypt

Kemenko Petrovic and S. Pishpen killed 3/2/42 and buried in Alexandria (Hadra) War Memorial Cem.

Damjan Djordjevic killed 6/3/44, J. Panovitch killed 2/11/45 and Steve Simonovic killed 30/1/44 all buried in Fayid War Cem.

Vladimor Obad killed 22/4/42 and Milosch Vasovic killed 17/3/44 both buried Heliopolis War Cem.

P. Kerecki killed 27/8/41 buried Ismalia War Memorial Cem.

Vladimir Gustav Sivic killed 3/11/43 buried in Maoscar War Cem.

Z. Stankovic killed 9/10/43 buried in Tel El Kebir War Memorial Cem.

Italy

M. Okanovic killed 8/10/46 buried in Bari War Cem.

V. Cernogoi, C.Z. Popo and S.Y. Smitch all killed 7/6/44 and buried in Bolsena War Cem.

G. Grozdanitch, J. Starc, S.Zarkov and S. Zlatanovic all killed 26/6/44 and buried in Florence War Cem.

Sapar Stebernak and Borivoye M. Vasilevitch both killed 23/11/44 and buried in Naples War Cem.

S. Kovacovic and H. Toplikar killed 1/10/44 and buried in Padua War Cem.

Drago Karol Bozeglay killed 24/6/44 and buried Staglieno Cem., Genoa (148 Sq. Halifax JP237?)

Libya

Salih Islamovic killed 3/5/44 buried in Benghazi War Cem.

A. Franc Zajc killed 3/3/44 buried in Knightsbridge War Cem., Acroma

Malta

N. Barac killed 25/3/44, Ant Doric and Ant Guarisco killed 26/2/44, A. Cremovic killed 14/3/44, Erent Ivan killed 29/4/44 and I Despotovic killed 5/6/44 all buried in the Pieta Military War Cem.

S. Africa

A. Konjevic killed 5/7/45 and buried in Potchefstroom Military Cem., N.W. Province

Zimbabwe

Radmilo Kostantinovic killed 11/9/44 and buried in Harare (Pioneer) Cem.

U.K.

Josef Ozbic killed 30/10/44 buried in Blackpool Cem.,Lancashire.

There are no ranks or squadrons mentioned.



RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:22:14 Sunday, August 1, 2004
Post:
Hi John,

most of the names from your list are very familiar to me, but not all of them. Now I'm waiting my documents from Belgrade, it will be here in a two or three days.For some of the airmen I can give you full info. The biggest problem in your list is the fact that almoust all names are incorrectly spelled. I'll write them to you in a correct form. Double checked your info about Igor Beran, he was shot down over Crete as fighter pilot of 94.sq.!

Anyway I'll be back in a two or three days with full info.

Thank you very much.

Regards,

Aleks


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
16:15:47 Wednesday, September 1, 2004
Post:
Hello Aleks,

Could you share your info on Yugoslavian airmen with me by answering John through this board?

Thanks in advance and kind regards,

Henk.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
00:36:02 Monday, November 1, 2004
Post:
Hi Henk,

I always share my info. I'm still on holliday, but I engaged my friends back in Belgrade to send my materials. I expect it tomorrow AM. It will be full info about losses of Yugoslav Royal airmen after April war 1941. It means losses incuding John's list and if you are interested, I can send you USAF losses for Yugoslavs.

Best regards,

Aleks


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
12:16:11 Monday, November 1, 2004
Post:
Thanks Aleks for the offer sharing your info with me and other (amateur) historians. I'm really interested in Yugoslavian airmen who died on service with the RAF. I'm only doing research on RAF/Commonwealth/Nations that flew with/within RAF. However a friend of mine is doing research on USAAF and he may have interest in Yugoslavian flying with the USAAF (unfortunately he has no access to the internet).

Have also another question on a Yugoslavian fighter pilot of 352 Sqdn. F/Lt Ratko G. JOVANOVIC - servicenumber 178152 - was killed 4-10-1944 and lies buried in grave 26 of the Beograd New Cemetery (military section). Do you know the serial number of his aircraft?

Cheers,

Henk.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:40:49 Monday, November 1, 2004
Post:
Hi Henk,

take a look at last message for John Larder, it is also material for you. After you read it please let me know if you have any suggestions.My main problem are Yugoslav airmen killed during WW2, as a matter of fact I mean on those less than 10%,like those on Malta. I heard about them for the first time! Any materials about this subject are very welcome!

Serial number of Ratko Jovanovic Spitfire is JL-325, I check it personally twice.Source is same,Military Archive.

Have a nice day,

Aleks



RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
13:38:59 Wednesday, December 1, 2004
Post:
Hello Aleks,

Thanks for the serial on Ratko JOVANOVIC.

Must also confess that I - like John has - only have the name of I.BERAN who lies buried in the Suda Bay War Cem., at Crete. Rank and function on board not known. However the date I have is 19th Nov. 1943 and 178 Sqdn in stead of 94 Sqdn. Liberator BZ891 took off from Terria/Libya for a minelaying mission near Crete. Crew of 8 (7 RAF and BERAN). So BERAN and MATEJIC (14-11-1943) and the BERAN we have on file must have been diffirent airmen.

I checked the Baltimore file and found a 55 Sqdn loss on 7/8-6-1944. Baltimore Mk.V - FW343 went missing on a night interdiction mission to Terni.

The sqdn lost another Baltimore 26/27-6-1944 (missing from night intruder mission to Bologna).

HALAMBEK was killed - as you mentioned - in a training accident over Benina airfield. Both 351 and 352 (Yugoslavian) Squadrons were based at that time at Benina. The Spitfire file has two losses on this date: MJ713 and MK750. The file (SPITFIRE - The History, by Eric B. Morgan and Edward Shacklady) lists for both "Casa". I can't find in the book what 'Casa' means.

Who may help us out?

Nothing found on Lancaster - Baltimore - Boston for losses on 23-11-44, 1-10-44 and 23-11-44 (23-9-44).

NIKOLIC could have been on board of Baltimore FW351 as this aircraft went missing from an intruder raid to Bologna on 4-10-1944.

Captain Y. POPOVIC is in the PoW-Register however without any info on camp- and PoW-number. His servicenumber was 748.

No names could be found on the website of "American War Dead". On this website only are those who are buried in US Cemeteries outside the USA and those who are missing. Meanwhile wrote a letter to my friend and asked him whether he has any info on the 8/9 USAAF losses. He has quite a lot of MACRs (Missing Air Crew Report). He has no e-mail so a possible answer may take some time.

Regards from Holland.

Henk.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
14:44:47 Wednesday, December 1, 2004
Post:
Here are some more tips.........

MATEJIC - BERAN - 94 Sqdn

Squadron lost three Hurricanes 14-11-1943:

BN403 - Hit mast attacking radar station, Elafos, Crete.

BP198 and KZ144 - both missing from ground attack mission to Aliakanou, Crete.

MARKOVIC - ISLAMOVIC

F/Lt Aleksander MARKOVIC - 178154 - RAFVR (of Yugoslavia) - 123 Sqdn - Benghazi War Cemetery - Grave 7.G.8.

123 Sqdn lost two Hurricanes 3/5/44:

LB 948 and LD122 - both damaged byond repair in accident.

Regards,

Henk.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
23:23:42 Wednesday, December 1, 2004
Post:
Hi Henk,

how are you? Well, I sincirely hope. It seems that RAF documents are far away from precise? Anyway, it was war, not beer drinking championship, am I right? It means that all roads are leading to Rome, or should I say to PRO. From this point of view it's far away from me.

All names, dates and crew losses are from the special log book, if I may say so,written by Yugoslav officer posted in the Middle East. His main and only duty was to record losses of our airmen. That is the only reason why I can't understand who are the Royal Yugoslav airmen lost on Malta and from which unit! There are few more names that I can't recognise. You saw the list.

I would like to send the letter to your friend (USAAF MIA). Would it be a problem to corespondent over you? If it's easier for you, my e-mail is royalprm.A T.eunet.yu

I'm very glad (modest opinion) that you are interested in faith of Yugoslav airmen among all. One fact is for sure. No one has better data about 351 & 352 squadron than Military Archive in Belgrade. There is also a book published in Serbia about Spitfires in Yugoslav service. If you send me your adress in Holland, in few weeks I can send you at least photo copy of mentioned book.

Any other info about Yugoslavs are welcome. You surelly know that.

Cheers,

Aleks


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
11:36:47 Tuesday, January 13, 2004
Post:
Hi Aleks,

Just talked to my friend on the phone. He told me that the MACRs he has are only of the 8th (and some of the 9th) USA(A)F. It may happen that sometimes a report of the 15th is on a MACR. He will check his MACRs (some thousand) as he has these on date. However it will take some time and he's really a busy man working on his USAAF-losses. We also could try and surf the website on 376th BG. There is another website with a forum on USAAF-losses. Will check this and mail it to you.

Regards.

Henk.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: John Larder (Guest)
Time Stamp:
10:08:23 Friday, October 1, 2004
Post:
Aleks

Apologies for Igor Beran presumed he was a member of the liberator crew due to same date on gravestone.

Spelling afflicts CWGC not only for Yugoslavs but particularly for Poles. I don't whether this is down to the information supplied or inputting.

I look forward to your corrections and information.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
00:40:01 Monday, November 1, 2004
Post:
Hi John,

it's not our mistake, but we are here to help each other as much as we can. I'll send you promised info as soon as I can.

Regards,

Aleks


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
17:12:52 Monday, November 1, 2004
Post:
Hi John,

Hi Henk,

here is the list of Royal Yugoslav airmen killed in action or othrwise 1941/1945:

I'll mention that during short April war (6 days of nice weather for flying) with Axis forces in 1941 about 145 Yugoslav airmen was killed and about 700 of other nonflying personel. God bless their souls.

RAF losses:

1941- pilot Borislav S. Kerecki (P.Kerecki in your list)killed

26/12/41 in midair collision with pilot Savo V. Vujovic a/c

over Benina airfield.Both of them killed.Unknown training

unit.

1942- pilot Simun A. Pispek (S.Pishpen)killed 22/2/42,

together with Kamenko J. Petrovic,radiooperator on same

a/c.Due to sandstorm they hit the sea.No.2 Yugoslav sq.

pilot Vladimir J. Obad (Vladimor Obad)killed 22/5/41 near

Cairo.Unknown unit.

1943- pilot Nebojsa "Neb" Kujundzic,killed 4/3/43 aboard his

Lancaster near Yaxley,Peterborough. 103.sq.

pilot Zivojin S. Stankovic (Z.Stankovic) killed 9/10/43,

in aerial accident near Cairo. Unknown unit.

pilot Radomir D. Matejic killed 14/11/43,during low level

attack on Crete airfield. 94.sq.

pilot Igor E. Beran (I.Beran)killed 14/11/43 on same

mission with R.Matejic over Crete. C/O of Yugoslav flight

94.sq.

pilot Vladimir G. Sivic (Vladimir Gustav Sivic)killed,

3/11/43 over Ismailia.Unknown unit.

pilot Vladimir Zivotic killed over Ismailia in 1943.Unknown

date,unknown unit.

pilot Ivan I. Dominko killed 10/12/43 during ferry flight

over Indian ocean. His a/c dived into ocean without reason.

They think it was attack of mallaria.He was second pilot on

a/c (SM.79)"white 12" which evacuate King Peter II from

Yugoslavia in 1941.

ground crew, Franc Cok (Franc Cok) killed 19/12/43,in

ground accident.Unknown reason,unknown unit in El-Alia.

One of RAF ground crew died in same accident.

1944- pilot Salih R. Islamovic (Salih Islamovic) killed 3/5/44 in

midair collision with pilot Aleksandar N. Markovic a/c over

Benina airfield.Both men killed.1.sq.NOVJ(Tito's Air Force)

complete crew of 55 sq.Baltimore killed 7/6/44 over Italy,

a/c code letter "Z"(Zebra):

pilot Mihajlo M. Djonlic

observer Zdravko S. Popovic (C.Z Popo)

Stevan Simic (S.Y Smitch)

gunner-mechanic Vjenceslav Cernigoj (V.Cernogoi)

complete crew of 55 sq.Baltimore killed 26/6/44 over Italy

pilot Sava D. Zarkov (S.Zarkov)

observer Sinisa D. Zlatanovic (S.Zlatanovic)

gunner-radiooperator Georgije S. Grozdanic (G.Grozdanitch)

gunner-mechanic Jozef Starc (J.Starc)

pilot Zvonimir I. Halambek killed 1/7/44 in training

accident over Benina airfield. His Spitfire was caught by

fire during flight. He was credited with two confirmed

victories while defending Belgrade in 1941 as a member of

6th Fighter regiment,Royal Yugoslav Air Force.1.sq.NOVJ

pilot Milan Mitic (Milan Mitrich) killed 26/8/44.It was

cargo version of B-24.As far as I know the rest of the

crew were Pole's.Unknown unit.

pilot Radomir Kostatinovic (Radmilo Kostantinovic)killed

18/9/44, your date is 11/9/44.Over South Africa.Unknown

unit.

pilot Slavko Stebernjak (Sapar Stebernak)and observer?

(I'm not sure) Borivoje M. Vasiljevic (Borivoye M.

Vasilevich)killed 23/9/44?,your date is 23/11/44. They were shotdown over Naples,Italy. I have their

names in my register but without unit.Probably 13 or 55 sq.

Can you or anybody else help whith this?

two crew members of 55 sq.Baltimore killed 1/10/44 over

Italy:

gunner-mechanic Herman Toplikar (H.Toplikar)

gunner-mechanic Stevan K. Kovacevic (S.Kovacovic),pilot

Radisav M. Nestorovic and pilot-observer Vladimir Z.

Popovic bailed out and became POW. They were shot down by

night fighter.

pilot Dragoljub S. Nikolic (S.D.Nikolic)killed 4/10/44

on a mission over Morocco,Africa.Unknown unit.

All together 31 names.

John,

and everybody else who can help.Info that you send me about

killed Yugoslav airmen over Malta is extremely important

for my research.Alltogether with other for me unknown

names.I'll list them again:

1.Damjan Djordjevic killed 6/3/44,Egypt

2.J.Pantovic killed 2/11/45,Egypt

3.Steve (probably Steva) Simonovic killed 30/1/44,Egypt

4.M.Okanovic killed 8/10/46,Italy

5.A.Franc Zajc killed 3/3/44,Lybia

6.N.Barac 25/3/44,Malta

7.Ant (probably Ante) Doric killed 26/2/44,Malta

8.A.Cremovic killed 14/3/44,Malta

9.Erent Ivan killed 24/4/44,Malta

10.I.Despotovic killed 5/6/44,Malta

11.A.Konjevic killed 5/7/45,South Africa

12.Josef Osbic killed 30/10/44,U.K.

Considering Milos Vasovic he died about ten yers ago in

Canada, but who knows maybe ther is another Milos Vasovic?

Drago Karol Bozeglay is probably Polish name.

There is no info in this list about losses over Yugoslav

soil.

USAF losses:

1943- pilot Djordje Jovanovic killed 22/8/43 burried on Cossibile

cem.Shot down as pilot on B-26 Marauder over Sicilly.

Unknown USAF unit. I need help on this one!

15 Air Force,376 BG.,Yugoslav Detachment:

complete crew of B-24 killed 19/12/43 over Augsburg:

pilot Dusan Z. Milojevic

pilot Dusan M. Mucic

gunner Dusan Lazarevic

observer Borislav Stefanovic

observer Momcilo V. Vidojkovic

pilot Dragoljub Jeremic

radiooperator Eduard Ceraj

gunner Petar A. Isic

gunner radiooperator Jovan Ognjenovic

gunner-mechanic Franjo F. Intihar

bombardier-gunner Bogdan M. Madjarevic killed 24/5/44,

while bombing a/c factory in Wiener Neustadt,Austria.He

was only one killed aboard B-24,376 BG.,Yugoslav Detachman.

He is burried at Military cem. in Bari,Italy.

crew of B-24 killed 24/8/44 over Drnis-Knin area:

pilot Blagoje M. Radosavljevic

pilot Borivoje G. Vulic

observer Slobodan M. Pavlovic

gunner-mechanic Vuko Sijakovic

bombardier-gunner Obrad Dj. Crvenkovic

gunner-mechanic Boris K. Parapatic

gunner-mechanic Toma Zivanovic

gunner Milutin Bobek

gunner Emil Trampus

There is third Yugoslav Liberator shot down, but my papers

are not with me. I'll send you the names later.Most of

third crew manage to bail out over Bulgaria and became POW.

Best regards,

Aleks



RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: John Larder (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:46:37 Wednesday, January 21, 2004
Post:
Alex

It may help on your search for the Malta airmen, but they are all buried in the Pieta Military Cemetery, which is next to a large hospital used in the first and second world wars. So I wounded if they were hospitalised in Malta and died of wounds or illness there but were never stationed there.


RE: Royal Yugoslav aviators in RAF Bomber Command
Author: Aleksandar Ognjevic (Guest)
Time Stamp:
11:07:34 Thursday, January 22, 2004
Post:
Hi John,

thanks a lot for your message. I understand that they probably were not stationed on Malta. I'm still very interested to find out their units or more info about them.

Regards,

Aleks