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Spitfire crash details.

Spitfire crash details.
Author: Scott (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:20:14 17 February 2004
Post:
Hi guys.

I need to clarify the details of the following spits we have on our database. Does anyone know the location and details of the incidents.

All are Spitfires that have the crash location named as either Kingseat hill or Kingseat.

I know there is a Kingseat near Dundee and one at Dunfermline.

X4614 on the 16/01/1943

AR254 on the 16/01/1943

P8276 on the 16/01/1943

Can anyone confirm the location and the dates as we have 2 different dates for these aircraft.

regards Scott


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: Scott (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:36:26 17 February 2004
Post:
Also looking to clarify the location of P7620 crashed at Beechall farm. 21/07/1943.

Regards Scott


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: Chris Charland (Guest)
Time Stamp:
02:49:14 18 February 2004
Post:
Hi Scott

The information I have is that the three Spitfires from No. 58 O.T.U. all crashed in close proximity to one another after they flew into high ground on the 16th of January 1943.

Spitfire Mk. I s/n X4614

Crashed at Kingsea *(t) Hill, Kincardine

* Kingsea could be a typo and actually be Kingseat

Spitfire Mk. IA s/n AR254

Crashed at Kingseat Hill, Kincardine

Spitfire Mk. II s/n P8276

Crashed at Dollar Bank Farm, Kincardine

* Spitfire Mk. II s/n P7620 of No. 58 O.T.U. made a wheels-up landing at Beechall Farm near Stirling on the 21st of July 1943 after engine failure.

Cheers...Chris


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: Harry Jamieson (Guest)
Time Stamp:
08:40:33 18 February 2004
Post:
Hi Scott,

I have -

16/ 1/43 Sgt Duda G M R128862 Spitfire X4614

Sgt (F/O in CWGC) Reynolds H G J9465 Spitfire AR254.

Triple crash into Kingseat Hill (in the Ochil Hills,

immediately NW of Dollar and NE of Tillicoultry),

Clackmannanshire). The aircraft were on a formation

flying exercise when they collided with the hill in

cloud. The sole survivor, Sgt V P Daly flew Spitfire

P8276. Sgt Duda was a US citizen serving with the RCAF.

The two who died are interred at Grangemuoth

(Gransable) Cemetery.

Sad,

Harry.


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: John E. (Guest)
Time Stamp:
16:44:10 18 February 2004
Post:
I have this from an unknown source about Sgt Vincent Patrick Daly:

16 January 1943 while returning from an unsuccessful search for a British Motor Torpedo Boat reported to be under attack by several German gunboats, the squadron encountered bad weather and heavy fog. Three aircraft, Vin's and those of two Canadian Pilots, crashed into the snow-covered mountains near the England-Scotland border. Vin survived the landing and after two days, during part of which he dragged one of the Canadians along with him before realising the man was dead, was found by a shepherd and his dog searching for lost sheep. His nose was crushed, his mouth torn and his feet severly frostbitten. After some time in Larpent hospital, Scotland, he was sent to Hoylake where he became a member of the Guinea Pig Club, as plastic surgery patients of Sir Reginald McIndoe were known.

Invalided home he was discharged as a Warrant Officer.


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: Howard L. Duda (Guest)
Time Stamp:
03:11:22 22 February 2004
Post:
Hi!! John E of 18-Feb-04

I am a brother of Sgt. Pilot Gordon Murray Duda. your account is similar to what I have. Do you have any varification, by yourself or others? They were buddies and I have written to Vin since the crash,but not in many many years. I have also tried to find him in Australia to no avail or his relatives. Please respond. Regards, Howard


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: John E. (Guest)
Time Stamp:
09:38:11 22 February 2004
Post:
No, i'm afraid that's all I've got. I'm pretty sure I grabbed it off the internet some place, but I don't recall where.

/John


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: errol.martyn@xtra.co.nz (Guest)
Time Stamp:
10:31:25 22 February 2004
Post:
John,

If you haven't sourced it then posting information here is rather pointless, as it cannot be verified or cross-checked for accuracy.

Errol


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: Wally P. Fydenchuk (Guest)
Time Stamp:
18:49:04 18 February 2004
Post:
Sgt. Gordon Duda was born in Edmonton, Alberta. At an early age his family moved to Washington State, U.S.A. Duda was an excellent artist and was top student in his course at 2 SFTS Uplands.


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: Scott (Guest)
Time Stamp:
00:22:30 19 February 2004
Post:
Thanks guys much much more information than I could have hoped for.

Brings the question where is this hill on the modern maps.

Must go have a look at the maps to figure it out.

thanks and Regards Scott


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: Scott (Guest)
Time Stamp:
00:28:52 19 February 2004
Post:
Found the hill now. No problems when you know where to look.

What squadron were they with or did I miss that in someones post.

Regards Scott


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: Scott (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:29:17 19 February 2004
Post:
>

>What squadron were they with or

>did I miss that in

>someones post.

>

That will be the part that says 58 OTU then will it.

Honestly if my head werent screwed on.

Regards Scott


RE: Spitfire crash details.
Author: Howard L. Duda (Guest)
Time Stamp:
06:58:08 21 February 2004
Post:
Hi!! Scott, I am seeking info about my brother's crash. Three Spitfires that you posted. Please post again and/or Email me with more info. My Email is Zzippity75.A T.aol.com. Howard