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American Wings

American Wings
Author: Steve Smith (Guest)
Time Stamp:
20:49:53 18 February 2004
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Have recently been sent a photograph of a former pilot officer pilot, Eric Charles Hughes, 146707 RAFVR of No.218 Squadron.

Directly under Eric's RAF pilot wings are US pilot wings, can anyone please explain why. !

What were the rules on this, Eric was English and I believe as no connetion with the USA.

Any help very mich appreciated.

Regards

Stev



RE: American Wings
Author: Harry Jamieson (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:17:59 18 February 2004
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RAF pilots trained in the South Eastern states of the USA under the Arnold scheme which existed during 1941, 1942 and into early 1943 were presented with American wings as well as being awarded RAF wings. It was not customary for both to be worn and indeed there may have been a regulation prohibiting this but no doubt on certain occasions some did, particularly while still in the US shortly after graduation.

Harry.


RE: American Wings
Author: Harry Jamieson (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:54:52 18 February 2004
Post:
P.S.

I should have said that while the American wings awarded to those trained under the Arnold scheme were US Army Air Corps (US Army Air Force after late 1941) ones, Towers scheme graduates at Pensacola in Florida were given US Navy ones, the Arnold scheme being an Army one while the Towers was a Navy provision. Arnold catered for RAF cadets only while Towers dealt with both RAF and Fleet Air Arm men.

Harry.


RE: American Wings
Author: Steve Smith (Guest)
Time Stamp:
07:17:55 19 February 2004
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Dear Harry,

Thank you for your reply. The photograph on closer inspection does resemble a studio type setting. Sadly, the family have no information on Eric's training.

Your help is appreciated.

Regards

Steve


RE: American Wings
Author: Harry Jamieson (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:52:11 20 February 2004
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Hi Steve,

Re Eric Hughes' training, I have no record of an E C Hughes as a trainee on the Arnold Scheme although the lists I have are incomplete (the RAF kept no record of those sent on it!). As far as the Towers is concerned all I have is a list of those on the nominal roll of the Pensacola veterans in 1991 where I see an E A Hughes resident in West Wimbledon, London SW20 then.

Regards,

Harry.


RE: American Wings
Author: Harry Jamieson (Guest)
Time Stamp:
20:09:55 20 February 2004
Post:
Hello Steve,

How stupid of me. I see from the CWGC that P/O E C Hughes of 218 sq, aged 20, of Shrewsbury was lost on 26/ 6/43, In Chorley's Vol.4 he is given as Sgt Hughes, captain of Stirling

EH898 and presumably his commission was imminent.

Hence, having lost his life on the above date he couldn't have been the man in West Wimbledon and the location of his flying training up to 'wings' level remains unknown.

Sorry,

Harry.


RE: American Wings
Author: Rene Romainville (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:23:31 20 February 2004
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Hello,

Here under copy of a letter that I received from a RAF pilot who had his training in the USA.

Arrived in Toronto ACRC after few days we then entrained for Maxwell Field, Montgomory Alabama where we spent about 3 weeks getting used to USAAC discipline, lots of P.T. and more technical classes. We were actually seconded to the US Army Air Corps and were treated as regular american cadets. From Maxwell we were shipped to Darr Aerotech, Albany, Georgia

Class 42E USAAF

Primary School USAAF Darr Aero Tech, Albany, Gergia 1/41-01/42

Basic School USAF Gunter Field, Montgomery Alabame 01/42-03/42

Advanced School USAF, Craig Field, Selma Alabama 03/42-05/42

When we finished our training in the States we were shipped back to Moncton Canada (PDC)

Hoping it helps a little

Regards

Ren


RE: American Wings
Author: Steve Smith (Guest)
Time Stamp:
15:36:06 23 February 2004
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Dear Harry & Rene,

Thank you both for taking the time and trouble answering my post. Appreciated.

Regards

Steve