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196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.

196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: John Williams (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:02:40 Friday, December 23, 2005
Post:
Merry Christmas to all,

A local lad W/O Joseph Daglish Stevenson 422761 was killed when this aircraft crashed into Holen lake near Arendal in southern Norway. He is now buried in Arendal Civil Cemetrey.

Can someone tell me the type of mission 196 Sqn was undertaking, my guess is supply for local resistance groups.

He also lost a brother when HMAS Sydney was sunk by the German raider Kormoran.

Cheers,

John.


RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: Bruno LECAPLAIN (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:43:41 Friday, December 23, 2005
Post:
Hello,

Yes it was a resistance supply mission (Stirrup 2 over Norway).

The crew in Stirling IV LJ945 never returned and are believed to have crashed Holen Lake, Arendal.

The regular crew was :

P/O R.G. TICKNER, Pilot

W/O R.W. MANN, Navigator

F/O J.H. CALDWELL, Air Bomber

W/O J.D. STEVENSON, Wireless Operator

Sgt G.A. HUMPHREY, Flight Engineer

F/S E.S. QUIRK, Air Gunner

Bruno


RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: Bruno LECAPLAIN (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:49:59 Friday, December 23, 2005
Post:
Sorry I didn't finished: The crew never returned but if it was all the regular crew then some of the airmen seem to have been taken prisoners.

Bruno


RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: Linzee (Guest)
Time Stamp:
00:26:08 Saturday, December 24, 2005
Post:
Thomas S%F8rdalen, a contributor to this board, has some details about the loss on his website http://home.no.net/thsord/

Regards - and a very Merry Christmas to one and all :)

Linzee


RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: John Williams (Guest)
Time Stamp:
03:32:39 Saturday, December 24, 2005
Post:
Hi Bruno and Linzee,

Many thanks for your help. Enjoy a white Christmas, it will be a hot one downunder.

John.


RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: AlanW
Time Stamp:
09:34:58 Saturday, December 24, 2005
Post:
John,

Some will correct me if i'm wrong but i think this aircraft was dived on by a team a few years ago and discovered the remains of Russell Ticker still inside the wreck, for this reason it is classed as a war grave.


RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: RodM
Time Stamp:
10:11:21 Saturday, December 24, 2005
Post:
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 24-Dec-05 AT 10:16 AM (GMT)[/font][p]Hi John.

the Stirling was engaged on a supply mission code-named "Sittrup II".

According to one of the surviving crew members, F/O Quirk, the aircraft was attacked by 2 night fighters and set on fire. The pilot gave the order to bail out and at least three of the crew, including Quirk, did so before the aircraft crashed and exploded, going through more than a foot of ice on the surface of H%F8len Lake.

Three of the crew survived the parachute descent, Quirk, who was hidden in a house until the end of the war and W/O Mann and F/O Caldwell, who were captured.

The body of Sgt. Humphrey was found shrouded in his parachute, under the ice, 100 yards from the crash site. He was identified by papers with his name on them, found with his body.

W/O Joseph Stevenson had, in all probability died, in the explosion of the Stirling upon hitting the ice. The morning after the crash, his legs, with flying boots, were found on the ice and sometime later, more remains were found on the edge of the lake (and were buried in a box there). Finally, a week after the crash, a local fishman recovered part of Stevenson's tunic, this containing his identity card in one of the pockets.

The two bodies were buried seperately in Graves 2 (Stevenson) and 3 (Humphrey) in Row 15 of Arendal Cemetery.

F/O Tinkner did indeed go down with the aircraft (the lake was apparently 40ft deep with a very soft bed).

The German night fighter was from the unit, NJ-St. Norwegen, with three pilots having claimed aircraft shot down on this night: - Hptm. Werner H%FCschens claimed a Stirling near Arundel, while Oblt. Schulz and Fw. Hohmann also made a claim each. At least one other SOE aircraft, Halifax NA103, was also lost on this night, crashing in the sea off Arundel.

Most of the information here is contained in the RAAF Casualty File for W/O Stevenson, held by the National Archives of Australia in Canberra.

As Linzee points out, the website: http://home.no.net/thsord/short_stirling_mkiv_lj925.htm

provides much additional information and confirms what Alan has said about the wreckage being dived upon.

Cheers & Seasons Greetings

RodM


RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: RodM
Time Stamp:
10:52:17 Saturday, December 24, 2005
Post:
For what it is worth. following is a verbatim transcript from the two relevant documents on Stevenson's RAAF Cas File:

CASUALTY ENQUIRY NO. N3.

Stirling Crash at Holen. Nr. Arendal. 25.2.45

Calling on Irygve Olsen, Hisoystrommen, Arendal, whose house on the banks of Holen Lake is only 50 yards from where the above

mentioned aircraft crashed, I gathered the following nformation.

On the night of 25th February 1945 the aircraft crashed into

the lake, The main part of the plane went through more than a foot of ice and sank. Other smaller parts were scattered over the ice.Three men had parachuted before the crash, of whom two were taken prisoner by the Germans, and one, P/0 Querk was hidden in the house by the Home Forces until the end of the war.

One body was brought to Olsen's house by the Germans. It had been found in the water attached to the parachute. From the body the Germans took, papers, and whilst they were drying these papers, Olsen was able to see the name George Alfred Humphrey on them. The following morning two flying boots with human legs were found on the ice. These were put in one coffin, and the body of Humphrey in another and both were taken to Arendal and buried by the Germans. A few days later small human remains were found on the edge of the lake*. I have asked G.R.U. to transfer these remains to the cemetery at Arendal). Also part of a tunic was found containing an identity card with the name J.D. Stevenson. Im the opinion of Olsen, these remains could only have been from one body, and as no parts of legs were found with the rest of the pieces, the legs in the flying boots that were found are, together with these small few pieces, the remains of J.D.Stevenson.

The two Graves of Humphrey and Stevenson are in Arendal Cemetery Row 15, Graves 2 and 3 respectively. They are, like the other seven R.A.F. graves there, in a very bad condition, but G.R.U. are going there very shortly to erect crosses and make the graves respectable.

Thus, with Querk, Mann and Caldwell safe in the U.K., and

Humphrey and the remains of Stevenson buried at Arendal, only Tickner is unaccounted for, As there are no traces of him whatsoever, it is my firm opinion that he lies with the main part of the aircraft at the bottom of the lake. This lake is about 40 feet deep and has a very soft bed, which would

make a salvage attempt extremely difficult.

??????? ?????

F/Lt E.P. DOWLING.

* These were put into a box and buried a few hundred yards from the lake.

AL288 CAS436 JUNE 7 RESTRICTED.

AUS42761 WARRANT OFFICER STEVENSON JD MISSING. F/O

ES QUIRK MEMBER OF SAME CREW NOW SAFE UK STATES.

"ATTACKED BY 2 ENEMY AIRCRAFT AND OWN AIRCRAFT CAUGHT

FIRE . CAPTAIN ORDERED CREW TO ABANDON AND ALL ACKNOW-

LEDGED ORDER, SAW 2 PARACHUTES DURING DESCENT. RE-VISITED

SCENE OF CRASH AND WAS GIVEN IDENTITY CARD OF STEVENSON.

WITH RING TAKEN. FROM PILOT OR ENGINEER. IDENTITY CARD

WAS FOUND IN WATER IN TUNIC POCKET BY FISHERMAN WEEK

AFTER CRASH. AIRCRAFT EXPLODED ON CRASHING AND SANK

IN ICE IMMEDIATELY. BODY WHICH HAD RING REMOVED WAS

FOUND UNDER PARACHUTE 100 YARDS FROM CRASH BODY HAVING

GONE THROUGH ICE. WAS UNABLE TO GET NAMES OF 2 COFFINS

BURIED IN ARENDAL CEMETERY FROM LOCAL INHABITANTS DID

NOT MEET ANY OTHER MEMBER OF CREW AFTER BALING OUT"

ENDEAVOURING TO ASCERTAIN NAMES OF 2 MEMBERS BURIED

CEMETERY./ WILL ADVISE



RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: John Williams (Guest)
Time Stamp:
20:47:39 Saturday, December 24, 2005
Post:
Hi Rod & Alan,

Many thanks for your detailed accounts. This has filled a gap about a local lad.

Cheers,

John.


RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: AlanW
Time Stamp:
22:45:02 Saturday, December 24, 2005
Post:
John,

I've got the 196sqdn ORB page for the date of the loss, if you would like a copy please contact me at the email address above and i'll send it on.

Happy Christmas...Alan.



RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: John Williams (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:29:19 Sunday, December 25, 2005
Post:
Hi Alan,

That would be great !! Could you send it to jwilliamsATeftet.net.au Replace the AT with the usual.

Cheers,

John.


RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: AlanW
Time Stamp:
14:59:06 Monday, December 26, 2005
Post:
Hi John,

Have tried a couple of times but email keeps bouncing back.

Regards.....Alan.


RE: 196 Sqn Stirling lost 26/2/45.
Author: John Williams (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:24:38 Monday, December 26, 2005
Post:
Hi Alan,

Try jwilliamsATpnc.com.au

Cheers,

John.