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Fairey Battle crash site in Luxembourg

Fairey Battle crash site in Luxembourg
Author: DERNEDEN John (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:37:08 Wednesday, November 15, 2006
Post:
Dear all,

I know since several years the crashsite of a Fairey Battle. The plane wa shot down in the afternoon of the 10th May 1940 near the little village of Arsdorf here in Luxembourg. Eye wittnesses told me that they saw only one member bailing out of the plane. The pilot was captured by the germans and first taken to the mayors house for interrogation. As we have so many Battle crashes here in Luxembourg, I really can%DF t identify this plane. We have several pieces of this plane in the General Patton museum in Ettelbruck. Those who are interested I have made some digital pictures of the pieces found at the crash site so I can sent them to you if interested.I already thank you in advance for any possible help concerning my request.

Yours sincerely

DERNEDEN John


RE: Fairey Battle crash site in Luxembourg
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
15:59:45 Thursday, November 16, 2006
Post:
Hello John,

Battle aircraft in my files for this date crashed on Luxemburg territory:

L5247 - 226 Sqn - Hollerich

K9372 - 103 Sqn - Dippach

L5231 - 142 Sqn - Dippach

L5578 - 142 Sqn - Ptange

L5540 - 150 Sqn - "Kaltreis"(sic)/Bonneweg

P2200 - 105 Sqn - near Clemency ?

Regards,

Henk.


RE: Fairey Battle crash site in Luxembourg
Author: Highgroundsman
Time Stamp:
17:28:37 Thursday, November 16, 2006
Post:
Hi John,

I am not familiar with locations in your part of the World but can add the following aircraft to you list. This was the only aircraft where the pilot was the only one to survive and to be taken PoW on 10th May 1940 which fits with your posting.

BATTLE 1. K9270 (PM-) 103 sq. 10/5/40.

T/o 13.45 hrs from Betheniville. Crashed in the vicinity of Hotton (Luxembourg) 9 km NE of March-en-Famenne, Belgium.

PILOT: SGT C.H.LOWNE. PoW.

Obs: SGT J.S.POOLE. +

W/AG: LAC O.A.HUTCHINSON. +

Regards.

Dave.



RE: Fairey Battle crash site in Luxembourg
Author: SteveB
Time Stamp:
17:54:38 Thursday, November 16, 2006
Post:
Some years ago I bought an excellent paperback book titled "Betheniville 1939-40" it was self-published in English by the French author Arnaud Gillet. It is in landscape format and includes excellent, large reproductions of a lot of IWM photos taken during the phoney war and the events of May 1940.

This book records the details about 103/K9270 posted by Highgroundsman. However the book records that four a/c of 103Sqdn took off to attack a German mechanised column on a road between (map reference) AZ42 and Dippach. Another 103Sqdn a/c K9372 was piloted by F/Off M C "Blackie" Wells. Apparently the German column was well equipped with 20mm and 37mm cannon and the Battles were briefed to bomb from 250 feet. The book records that:

"Wells also crossed the incendiary bullets and shrapnel barrier which hit his engine, starting off a fire and a leak in the coolant tank. His cockpit was covered in smoke and oil. He pulled the joystick back in order to gain sufficient height for a parachute jump. When he turned back, he saw that his two colleagues had disappeared from sight. He made a 150 feet parachute jump, when his feet were starting to catch fire. He landed rather heavily on the ground near the remains of his burning plane. He was promptly captured by the Germans who gathered around him. He would later find his companions (Sgt H F Bullock and LAC T H Bowen) in Stalag Luft 3."

Perhaps only one man was seen to jump because the others had already gone?

Steve



RE: Fairey Battle crash site in Luxembourg
Author: SteveB (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:39:03 Friday, November 17, 2006
Post:
Hello from Luxembourg,

Thank you so much for your reply. Here in luxembourg I located for sure 12 ceash sites of Fairey Battles. They where most from the 10th of May 1940. From most of these planes I possess pictures. The book of the Bomber Command losses was a good help but was not precise with the locations.

In Luxembourg crashed:

Battle L5190 Code PH-P 12th Sqn near Luxembourg city called Kirchberg 10.th May 40

Battle K9264 Code PM-L 103rd Sqn between Linger and Athus(B) 10th May 40

Battle K9372 Code PM-K 103rd Sqn near Hautcharage 10th May 40

Battle P2200 Code GB-K 105th Sqn near Clemency 10th May 40

Battle L5578 Code WT-? 142nd Sqn near Rodange 10th May40

Battle K 9390 Code JN-I 150th Sqn near Merl 10th may 40

Note: This Battle was inversed with Battle L5539. There must be a mistake in the Bomber command losses. F/L Parker is buried in the Hollerich cemetery here in Luxembourg. Eye wittnesses told me that when they crash landed he opened fire on the germans with his pistol. He was then shot by the german soldiers trying to take him as Pow.

Battle L 5540 Code JN-C 150th Sqn near Bonnevoie 10th May40

Battle K 9183 Code MQ-R 226th Sqn near Bettendorf 10th May 40

Battle L 5247 Code MQ 226th Sqn near Weimerskirch 10th May 40

Battle P 2203 Code HA 218th Sqn near Basbellain 11th May 40

Battle P 2249 Code HA-U 218th Sqn near Basbellain 11th May 40

Note : These 2 Battles crashed close together near Basbellain. One crew is buried on the local cemetery and the other one was taken POW. Eye wittnesses told me that one of the crew of P/O MURRAY was shot by the germans in the jaw when trying to escape to Belgium.

One crew which is still for me a mystery is the crew of Battle L 5539 ( not K9390) Sgt De C WHITE

Sgt BOOTH and LAC BURROWS. Could this crew be the one from the village of Arsdorf ? s I contated already Belgian researchers, they couldn%B4t help me with the location of Gosselies mentioned in the Bomber Command of Mr Chorley. Any mor help is welcome . Again I thank you very very much for your reply and best wishes from Luxembourg.

John DERNEDEN



RE: Fairey Battle crash site in Luxembourg
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
18:12:57 Thursday, November 16, 2006
Post:
John/Dave,

K9270 was in my files as well but did not mention because the location was believed in Belgium, rather than the Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg.

Regards,

Henk.


RE: Fairey Battle crash site in Luxembourg
Author: SteveB
Time Stamp:
20:49:09 Thursday, November 16, 2006
Post:
Guys

I have now got my geography sorted out (I should have done that before making my post). It seems to me that the action involving 103Sqdn on 10 May 1940 occurred along a road heading towards France WSW from Luxembourg City. Arsdorf seems to be considerably North of this area much closer to the Belgian border. It seems to me that rules out both K9270 and K9372.

Steve


RE: Fairey Battle crash site in Luxembourg
Author: Highgroundsman (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:38:37 Friday, November 17, 2006
Post:
Hello from Luxembourg,

Thank you so much for your reply. Here in luxembourg I located for sure 12 ceash sites of Fairey Battles. They where most from the 10th of May 1940. From most of these planes I possess pictures. The book of the Bomber Command losses was a good help but was not precise with the locations.

In Luxembourg crashed:

Battle L5190 Code PH-P 12th Sqn near Luxembourg city called Kirchberg 10.th May 40

Battle K9264 Code PM-L 103rd Sqn between Linger and Athus(B) 10th May 40

Battle K9372 Code PM-K 103rd Sqn near Hautcharage 10th May 40

Battle P2200 Code GB-K 105th Sqn near Clemency 10th May 40

Battle L5578 Code WT-? 142nd Sqn near Rodange 10th May40

Battle K 9390 Code JN-I 150th Sqn near Merl 10th may 40

Note: This Battle was inversed with Battle L5539. There must be a mistake in the Bomber command losses. F/L Parker is buried in the Hollerich cemetery here in Luxembourg. Eye wittnesses told me that when they crash landed he opened fire on the germans with his pistol. He was then shot by the german soldiers trying to take him as Pow.

Battle L 5540 Code JN-C 150th Sqn near Bonnevoie 10th May40

Battle K 9183 Code MQ-R 226th Sqn near Bettendorf 10th May 40

Battle L 5247 Code MQ 226th Sqn near Weimerskirch 10th May 40

Battle P 2203 Code HA 218th Sqn near Basbellain 11th May 40

Battle P 2249 Code HA-U 218th Sqn near Basbellain 11th May 40

Note : These 2 Battles crashed close together near Basbellain. One crew is buried on the local cemetery and the other one was taken POW. Eye wittnesses told me that one of the crew of P/O MURRAY was shot by the germans in the jaw when trying to escape to Belgium.

One crew which is still for me a mystery is the crew of Battle L 5539 ( not K9390) Sgt De C WHITE

Sgt BOOTH and LAC BURROWS. Could this crew be the one from the village of Arsdorf ? s I contated already Belgian researchers, they couldn%B4t help me with the location of Gosselies mentioned in the Bomber Command of Mr Chorley. Any mor help is welcome . Again I thank you very very much for your reply and best wishes from Luxembourg.

John DERNEDEN



RE: Fairey Battle crash site in Luxembourg
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:37:53 Friday, November 17, 2006
Post:
Hello from Luxembourg,

Thank you so much for your reply. Here in luxembourg I located for sure 12 ceash sites of Fairey Battles. They where most from the 10th of May 1940. From most of these planes I possess pictures. The book of the Bomber Command losses was a good help but was not precise with the locations.

In Luxembourg crashed:

Battle L5190 Code PH-P 12th Sqn near Luxembourg city called Kirchberg 10.th May 40

Battle K9264 Code PM-L 103rd Sqn between Linger and Athus(B) 10th May 40

Battle K9372 Code PM-K 103rd Sqn near Hautcharage 10th May 40

Battle P2200 Code GB-K 105th Sqn near Clemency 10th May 40

Battle L5578 Code WT-? 142nd Sqn near Rodange 10th May40

Battle K 9390 Code JN-I 150th Sqn near Merl 10th may 40

Note: This Battle was inversed with Battle L5539. There must be a mistake in the Bomber command losses. F/L Parker is buried in the Hollerich cemetery here in Luxembourg. Eye wittnesses told me that when they crash landed he opened fire on the germans with his pistol. He was then shot by the german soldiers trying to take him as Pow.

Battle L 5540 Code JN-C 150th Sqn near Bonnevoie 10th May40

Battle K 9183 Code MQ-R 226th Sqn near Bettendorf 10th May 40

Battle L 5247 Code MQ 226th Sqn near Weimerskirch 10th May 40

Battle P 2203 Code HA 218th Sqn near Basbellain 11th May 40

Battle P 2249 Code HA-U 218th Sqn near Basbellain 11th May 40

Note : These 2 Battles crashed close together near Basbellain. One crew is buried on the local cemetery and the other one was taken POW. Eye wittnesses told me that one of the crew of P/O MURRAY was shot by the germans in the jaw when trying to escape to Belgium.

One crew which is still for me a mystery is the crew of Battle L 5539 ( not K9390) Sgt De C WHITE

Sgt BOOTH and LAC BURROWS. Could this crew be the one from the village of Arsdorf ? s I contated already Belgian researchers, they couldn%B4t help me with the location of Gosselies mentioned in the Bomber Command of Mr Chorley. Any mor help is welcome . Again I thank you very very much for your reply and best wishes from Luxembourg.

John DERNEDEN