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81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC

81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC
Author: AndyLong
Time Stamp:
12:29:15 14 January 2007
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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 14-Jan-07 AT 12:29 PM (GMT)[/font][p]I'm currently preparing the list of pilots to be featured in the second volume of my Worcestershire Fighter Pilots, and I would like to include the story of F/Lt Frederick (Gerry) Chalk DFC who was a pre war master at Malvern College.

He captained Oxford University, and the Kent County Cricket teams, at some stage, and orginally joined the Army upon the outbreak of hostilities.

What makes him unusual was that he later joined the RAF, winning a DFC as a rear gunner on 218 Squadron in 1941, before going to to pilot training and becoming a fighter pilot.

He was killed on February 17th 1943, shot down by Fw 190's from JG26 (his squadron, 124, lost another three pilots and Spitfires during this engagement), however his remains weren't identified until 1989. He is now buried in Terlincthun British Cemetery, Wimille.

So, does anybody know the circumstances of his identification? Was his aircraft recovered by archaeologists?

Anything gratefully received!

Kind Regards

Andy Long


RE: 81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC
Author: Fairlop
Time Stamp:
16:41:43 14 January 2007
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Hi Andy,

According to info from a member of team what recovered the crashsite Chalk was s/d by Ofw. Glunz of 4./JG 26 and crashed near Ardres. He was MIA until 1989.

Regards,

Michal


RE: 81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC
Author: AndyLong
Time Stamp:
19:16:01 14 January 2007
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Michal,

Thanks for that. So we can attribute his loss to Adolph Glunze, assuming the crash site was near Ardres?

Good to tie that down - much appreciated!

Kind Regards

Andy


RE: 81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC
Author: Dick (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:36:26 14 January 2007
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Without detailing any RAF names the incident is mentioned in The JG26 War Diary,written/edited? by Donald Caldwell,published by Grub Street in 2 Vols.It is in the 2nd vol. 124 Sqdn were High cover for a Ventura raid on shipping in Dunkirk, but were taken by strong winds away from the main body of aircraft and isolated and were attacked by about 30 Fw190s of JG26. There is a table recording the loss of 4 Spitfires of 124 Sqdn, who was credited with the shooting down, and where they came down. In that table the one that fell at Ardres is credited to Obfw Glanz but there is no ref. to which RAF pilot was in each aircraft. Their identities are not mentioned nor are their fates eg KIA,Pow etc.

Dick


RE: 81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC
Author: Dick (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:39:08 14 January 2007
Post:
Sorry-Senior Moment. The correct German name IS Glunz

Dick


RE: 81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC
Author: Joss Leclercq (Guest)
Time Stamp:
12:36:15 15 January 2007
Post:
hello,

The crash site of his Spitfire was in Louches, a few km from Ardres. No. 124 Squadron lost 4 pilots in this engagement, and I know that one of the survivor came down in that same area, so I'm not so sure that Glunz is the victor of Chalk.

That's strange, but I talked of this event with a good friend no latter that last friday ! I though the dig was made on this crash site in 1988, but he told me he had clippings about it, and from his memory, the dig was made in 1986. This was done by Association Maurice Choron, a group who did several digs in the Calais-Boulogne-St Omer area in the 80es. They had a hangar in St Inglevert, but met financial problems. They eventually disbanded in the late 80es and their archives and artefacts were dispersed, and most of it more or less lost. To pay the debts, the artefacts were collected by a scrapman in Calais and either scrapped or resold, but in the process all identification was lost.

I have a Spitfire undercarriage leg which seems to come from that dig, but all possibility of tracking down the full origin of some parts is now lost, and I relied on the souvenir of a former member of this recovery group to identify it. My friend recovered from the Calais scrapman other parts from the Spitfire VI, including the bulkhead behind the pilot's seat.

Chalk was laid to raid in Terlincthun cemetery on 30th June 1989 (that's the information given on the grave).

Joss


RE: 81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC
Author: AndyLong
Time Stamp:
13:12:53 15 January 2007
Post:

Dick and Joss,

Many thanks for the information. Iíve since had a trawl through the JG26 claims for this engagement and all four are pretty close together, time wise.

Joss - any chance of a photo of the remains of Chalksí Spitfire VI, and his grave, for the chapter. Iím assuming that either somebody has a photo of the headstone, or the cemetery is pretty close. If you turn up any more information or photos of the dig Iíd be interested, and Iíd cover any expenses incurred. If you like, email me at andrewATlong9138.fsnet.co.uk , replacing the AT with the obvious!

I think Iíll probably start writing the next manuscript in May, just after Vol.1 is printed, so that gives me six months to finish everything.

Thank you all one again for your input.

Kind Regards

Andy



RE: 81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC
Author: Fairlop
Time Stamp:
17:05:57 15 January 2007
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Hi,

Andy - I have the picture of gravestone. I will send it today.

Joss - Thanks for supplemental info. JP is ocassionally on this forum and maybe will add further details.

Regards,

Michal



RE: 81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC
Author: Joss Leclercq (Guest)
Time Stamp:
17:34:25 15 January 2007
Post:
hello,

I have a picture of Chalk's grave as well, and of Terlincthun cemetery, with the Napolon column in the background... I've always found funny that this British cemetery is in a symmetrical perspective with the Napolon monument, especially when one think of his "popularity" outside France.

I must already have a picture of the u/c leg, and can provide you pictures of some of the other parts.

I'll contact you off-board

Joss


RE: 81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC
Author: AndyLong
Time Stamp:
18:58:11 15 January 2007
Post:

Thank you both - your help is much appreciated.

Kind Regards

Andy


RE: 81389 F/L Frederick Chalk DFC
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
15:42:43 16 January 2007
Post:
Hello Andy,

Chalk initially was commemorated on Panel 119 of the Runnymede Memorial (CWGC-Register 1953).

Best regards,

Henk.