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Unknown airman?

Unknown airman?
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
19:31:34 Saturday, March 3, 2007
Post:
One member of the crew of Lancaster ME453 was Ronald Victor Smith, Flight Sergeant, bomb aimer. He gave up his life, along with the rest of the crew exactly 62 years ago today, it was also a Saturday. But I can find no records about this man other than his service number, 1622514 and that he was RAFVR. His age is unknown, his place of birth, parents etc., all the usual info you get on the War Graves Commission.

Can anyone please advise me where to start a search?

TIA

Max Williams


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: Hans Ooms (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:41:49 Saturday, March 3, 2007
Post:
Max, hi,

From "BC Operational Losses" got the hit below:

3-4-Mar-45

Flight Sergeant R V Smith Lancaster III serial ME453

467 squadron PO-L station Waddington t/o 1853 target Ladbergen

Killed in Action

Buried : Reichswald Forest War Cemetery

Thought "467" is Australian.

Hope it helps.

If you like more adds (crew) give a yell, and I'll have a go !

Cheers mate,

Hans



RE: Unknown airman?
Author: Bobby (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:36:58 Sunday, June 3, 2007
Post:
Hi,

For info, here are the 467 Sqdn entries relating to this crew

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t72/bobby_chipping/540.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t72/bobby_chipping/541.jpg

Looking to see when R V Smith was posted - no luck so far

Bobby



RE: Unknown airman?
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
21:07:21 Tuesday, July 3, 2007
Post:
>Hi,

>For info, here are the 467

>Sqdn entries relating to this

>crew

>

>http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t72/bobby_chipping/540.jpg

>http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t72/bobby_chipping/541.jpg

>

>Looking to see when R V

>Smith was posted - no

>luck so far

>

>Bobby

Sorry Bobby, I have that info., they were posted to the squadron on 4 February but it still doesn't give me any extra details about R V Smith.

Max



RE: Unknown airman?
Author: dawallace
Time Stamp:
19:56:35 Saturday, March 3, 2007
Post:
This crew was with 467 Squadron and there is a very good website that has information on this crew along with the operational records of the squadron and lots of other information. His pilot's name was Roland Telford Ward

http://www.467463raafsquadrons.com

Regards Dave Wallace


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
20:47:04 Saturday, March 3, 2007
Post:
Thanks Dave and Hans: been there, got the T-shirt as they say!!

Yes, 467 was an Aussie squadron, all the pilots were Australian and, on ME453, the w/op. as well, the rest were British apart from the rear gunner, Tom Drennan, who came from Cork in the Irish Republic. Peter Johnson's website on 463/467 squadron is wonderful, his father (Max) piloted S Sugar (of 100+ sorties and now aviation museum fame)on many occasions.

I'm in contact with some of the surviving members of 467 and 463 squadron, navigators and flight engineers, but the crew of ME453 were only with the squadron for four weeks before being KIA.

I was thinking more of official records, it seems strange that even R V Smith's headstone is so bare of information about him.



RE: Unknown airman?
Author: Mark Huxtable (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:34:56 Saturday, March 3, 2007
Post:
There is a wide variety of original 467 Squadron documents which have been scanned in for online viewing at the National Archives of Australia.

This link should get you to the search engine:

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ResearcherScreen.asp

Type in "467 Squadron" and it will take you to a list of documents, some of which have a "View Digital Copy" next to them.

Hope this helps,

Mark


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: Mark Crame (Guest)
Time Stamp:
23:42:25 Saturday, March 3, 2007
Post:
I dobn't suppose you have contact details, or know what happend to the following do you please?

P/O Fisher.A.

Pilot

Sgt Smith.L.S.

Engineer

Sgt Wynde.P.R.

Engineer

F/S McGalloway.H

Bomb Aimer

F/S Ronaldson.T.H.

Wireless Operator

F/L Andrews.D.A.

Wireless Operator

W/O Rayns.J.H.

Gunner MU



RE: Unknown airman?
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
09:54:05 Tuesday, April 3, 2007
Post:
See my post above about the "bare headstone".

[IMG]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/galgos1/DSC00053.jpg[/IMG]


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: linda
Time Stamp:
13:02:49 Thursday, May 3, 2007
Post:
Ronald Victor Smith, born at Wyalong,Australia about 1922 of British ancestry.

He left Buenos Aries,Argentina with lots of other RAAF and arrived in New York on Ship "Argentina", on 20.6.1942.

From the ships passenger list as follows-all Royal Australian Airforce-

Riley-William E . 24 of brisbane

Roggenkemp-Neil 20 of Toowoombe

Rosen-Kenneth G. 19 of Sydney

Rose-Theo. 20-Sydney

Royds David M. 19-Sydney

Schuman-Ernest 21-Ravensbourne,Queensland

Sexton-Robert.20 of Ipswich,Queensland

Shepherd Henry 19 of Benella,Victoria

Shepherd Kenneth 18 of Sydney

Shine Patrick 28 of Brisbane

Simes-Keith 20 of Tenterfield,NSW

Simpson-Kenneth J 21 of Sydney

Sims Edwin. 27 of Lidcombe

Skelton Melville. 18 of Speers Point

Smith-Charles K. 27 of Portland

Smith R.D.C.. 20 of Sydney

SMITH Ronald Victor. 20 of Wyalong

Sorenson-Neville 19 of Ketcombe

Spier Walter 20 of Gordon

Speire John W 21 of Lidcombe

Spurr Colin 18 of Hurstbridge,victoria

Stace Robert 18 of NSW

Stengar Frank 20 of Ballina

Stenning Bruce 25 of Sydney

Sterling Robert 29 of sydney

Stewart John M 27 of NSW

Sweeney Elton 20 ofGlen innes,NSW

Taylor Archie 27 of Pittsworth,Queensland

Taylor Geoffrey 20 of Melbourne

Teerman Alfred W 19 of Brisbane

I would imagine from arriving in New york in 1942 they then came over here.

I have included the rest of the names incase anyone is researching RAAF


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
19:44:01 Thursday, May 3, 2007
Post:
Thank you Linda, that's wonderful! How on earth did you find that out!!?

Regards

Max


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: linda
Time Stamp:
21:36:17 Thursday, May 3, 2007
Post:
Hi- I use geneology sites a lot for research in tracking relations etc for my write ups for bombercrew.com.

On one of the geneology sites there are passenger lists which as well as for ships also contain details of planes and their passengers during the war.Obviously for Ronald Smith, those page entries were for the surnames beginning with R & S, but obviously it includes the rest of the Ozzies who came over with different surnames!

Glad to be of help.(i hate mysteries)


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
18:50:25 Sunday, June 3, 2007
Post:
Linda,

I have a conflict with the following:

"Ronald Victor Smith, born at Wyalong,Australia about 1922 of British ancestry.

He left Buenos Aries,Argentina with lots of other RAAF and arrived in New York on Ship "Argentina", on 20.6.1942."

The guy I'm interested in, according to his service number of 1622514, volunteered for service in October 41 at Cardington. I fear we have the wrong R V Smith, sadly :(

Max



RE: Unknown airman?
Author: Linda (Guest)
Time Stamp:
18:58:42 Sunday, June 3, 2007
Post:
Thats strange, names the same and the fact that he is Australian.I will see what else i can find out, one way or another.


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
19:07:46 Sunday, June 3, 2007
Post:
>Thats strange, names the same and

>the fact that he is

>Australian.I will see what else

>i can find out, one

>way or another.

Linda

I've no evidence at all that he's Australian: serving with an Australian squadron, yes, but not necessarily Aussie himself.

Max



RE: Unknown airman?
Author: Linda (Guest)
Time Stamp:
14:50:39 Friday, August 3, 2007
Post:
I have checked with the RAAf records & the middle name on the shipping list is wrong and it should of been Ronald VENNING Smith not as they had it-Ronald Victor Smith.

Not my mistake, but there we go!!


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
17:21:27 Friday, August 3, 2007
Post:
Thanks anyway Linda, if nothing else, it has opened up a new avenue of research for me that I didn't know existed!

Regards

Max


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: Norman Hood (Guest)
Time Stamp:
13:59:58 Sunday, June 3, 2007
Post:
If the service number for C H Terras the W.Ops number is 432286 then there are RAAF records available. By requesting them to be digitised on line perhaps you could find crew details that may reveal a clue you seek. Also, there's a Death certificate available at Southport from records of overseas deaths RAF 1939-1945: Ronald V Smith, F/Sgt, 1622514, 467 Squadron RAF

Certificate: Vol 13 page 303. This could reveal the next-of-kin and home town. I have never seen one so can not say what they contain.

Norman Hood


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: mcmillan_p
Time Stamp:
12:41:09 Friday, August 3, 2007
Post:
Norman

Is there any date clue when the death certificate was created at Southport?

Thanks

Paul


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: Norman Hood (Guest)
Time Stamp:
02:30:37 Monday, September 3, 2007
Post:
Paul,

I have only found an entry on the register of RAF deaths overseas (from UK) 1939-1948 and not the certificate itself. I see no date the entry was created on the register. I have asked elsewhere on this forum for details contained on the certificates for RAF deaths overseas (from UK) Sorry I can't help you further.

Norman



RE: Unknown airman?
Author: mcmillan_p
Time Stamp:
08:39:24 Monday, September 3, 2007
Post:
Norman

Thnaks again

Paul


RE: Unknown airman?
Author: Norman Hood (Guest)
Time Stamp:
11:10:26 Monday, September 3, 2007
Post:
I have had a reply from the GRO Southport concerning overseas RAF deaths:

Dear Sir

Thank you for your Email. Unfortunately there is very little information other than the death. details. Next of kin would not be mentioned.

Regards

John.



RE: Unknown airman?
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
12:42:28 Monday, September 3, 2007
Post:
Thanks for trying Norman, it was worth a "punt", but another dead end I fear?!

Regards

Max