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Nils Fugelsang

Nils Fugelsang
Author: Dick
Time Stamp:
20:00:25 10 March 2007
Post:
Hi All

Just to tidy up a loose end,does anyone know where 2Lt/F.O Nils Fugelsang is buried? He was shot down in Holland in 1943 and made POW.In 1944 he was one of the 50 executed by the Gestapo following the Great Escape. He was originally buried with all but one of the 50 in Poznan Old War Cemetery but his remains were exhumed(according to CWGC)in Dec 1947 and re-interred in Norway. Does anyone know where in Norway?

TIA

Dick


RE: Nils Fugelsang
Author: Flupke
Time Stamp:
20:59:24 10 March 2007
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Hello Dick

in fact it's FUGLESANG

According to this following web site

http://www.um.zagan.pl/luft3/fifty.htm

742 2/Lt Nils Fuglesang, Norwegian, 332 Sqdn. Shot down and belly landed in Holland (Spitfire IX BS540 AH:E) 2-May-1943, recaptured at Flensburg, murdered 29-Mar-1944 by Post, cremated at Kiel. Photo of crashed aircraft, p.94 Volume 2, FIGHTER COMMAND LOSSES

Regards

Phil



RE: Nils Fugelsang
Author: Dick
Time Stamp:
21:17:36 10 March 2007
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Hi Phil

Thanks for that,I took my spelling from Paul Brickhill and Conrad Norton's book "Escape to Danger" published in 1946.

Regards

Dick


RE: Nils Fugelsang
Author: John Larder (Guest)
Time Stamp:
10:18:07 14 March 2007
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Royal Ministry of Education, Research and Church Affairs War Graves Service (Det Kongelige Kirke-, Utdannings-Og Forskningsdepartment War Graves Service)in Oslo can usually tell you where the family was but burial was up to them.


RE: Nils Fugelsang
Author: Dick
Time Stamp:
11:53:49 14 March 2007
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Thank You John

I will note the agency and give it a try.

Thanks Again

Dick


RE: Nils Fugelsang
Author: floyd williston (Guest)
Time Stamp:
01:12:19 16 March 2007
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This doesn't answer your question about the location of his final resting place but might be of interest. It is from:

http://www.rafandluftwaffe.info/lists/raf1.htm

"severe blow for 332 SQN.

2nd May 1943 SPITFIRE IX Ramrod 12Gr15 GERMAN A/C 332 SQN Fnr. Nils J%F8rgen Fuglesang pow BE-NE-LX Aircraft brought down in air combat by Oblt. von Kirchmayr in a Fw 190 plane. Fnr. Fuglesang was FTR BS 540."

(Floyd)



RE: Nils Fugelsang
Author: Dick
Time Stamp:
10:13:43 16 March 2007
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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 16-Mar-07 AT 10:15 AM (GMT)[/font][p]Thanks Floyd

It fills out the bones from Rob Davis' site-http://www.elsham.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/gt_esc which is the UK counterpart of the Polish site quoted above in the first reply.It also seems to confirm the spelling, I took mine from Paul Brickhill's first book- Escape to Danger

Thanks Again

Dick


RE: Nils Fuglesang
Author: Finn Buch (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:59:15 16 March 2007
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Below you find an excerpt of the war trial in 1947.

Case No. 62

Trial of Max Wielen and 17 others

The Stalag Luft III Case

BRITISH MILITARY COURT, HAMBURG, GERMANY,

1st July - 3rd September, 1947

Part I

p.34 - p.35

"shot. It was the task of the Gestapo to take the escaped prisoners of war over from the Kripo and to carry out the shooting. As soon as the news of the recapture of some prisoners of war was reported by the local Kripo to the Central Security Office at Berlin, Amt 5 gave out orders to the Kripo regional headquarters to hand over these prisoners to the Gestapo and Amt 4 gave out orders to the regional headquarters of the Gestapo to take over a certain number of enemy prisoners of war to be shot and to report the killing to Berlin. The orders were given out by teleprint to the Kripo and Gestapo regional offices throughout the country.

Charges (iii)-(ix), relate to the shooting of 12 officers carried out by six Gestapo [sic] regional headquarters, Saarbrucken, Karlsruhe, Strasbourg, Munich, Kiel and Zlin frontier police. All the accused in charges (iii)-(ix) were members of the staff of these six regional headquarters, ranging from officers commanding down to duty drivers. Identical orders were given to these six regional headquarters and the execution of these orders followed the same pattern in each case. In every case the officer commanding received orders from the Central Security Office in Berlin. He then made the necessary arrangements for their execution. The party carrying out the shooting usually consisted of either the Commanding Officer himself or another officer detailed by the Commanding Officer to be in charge of the party, of one or more Gestapo officials as escort and of a driver.

Those detailed were briefed by the Commanding Officer as to their duties and pledged to absolute secrecy by hand-shakes and by a reminder of the SS oath to the F%FChrer. They then set out at night in one or more cars to fetch the prisoners from the local goal where they were handed over by the Kripo. After a short drive the car stopped by the roadside, the excuse being always that the prisoners wanted to relieve nature. The place selected was always near a crematorium. The driver or another man remained by the car to see that no cars or passers by would stop in the vicinity. The other Gestapo officials would take out the prisoners and kill them by shooting them in the back, usually only a short distance from the road. The bodies were inspected by the nearest doctor, who issued a death certificate, and then cremated and the urns sent to the Kripo regional headquarters at Breslau for onward transmission to Stalag Luft III, as set out in the orders.

After the shooting a report was sent by the regional Gestapo headquarters concerned to Amt 4 saying : " Orders carried out, prisoners shot whilst trying to escape ". A few weeks afterwards when the German authorities had learned from a statement made by the British Foreign Secretary in the House of Commons that the news had leaked out, an official from each of the Gestapo headquarters concerned was summoned to Amt 4 in Berlin or received a message to the effect that their reports had to be re-written as they were all identical. They had to be made " more realistic " and more varied because a visit from the Protecting Power was to be expected and the representatives of the Protecting Power would almost certainly want to see the scene of the shooting and would also require a description of what had occurred.

Based on these facts, the prosecution alleged " that these 18 accused were concerned with their masters in Berlin, General M%FCller and General Nebe and with other persons known and unknown and, of course, that includes Hitler, Himmler and Kaltenbrunner in the killing of prisoners of war who had escaped from Stalag Luft III " and that they were acting for a common purpose."

Source: Law-Reports of Trials of War Criminals, The United Nations War Crimes Commission, Volume XI, London, HMSO, 1949.

Breslau is today Wroclaw in Poland.

As far as I am aware, Lt Nils Jorgen Fuglesang, 742, RNAF, was laid to his final rest at the cemetery of Flor%F8 (Floro) in Norway.

Regards

Finn Buch


RE: Nils Fuglesang
Author: Dick
Time Stamp:
22:05:27 16 March 2007
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Thank You Finn, very much

It clears up a loose end that came when I started to enquire via the CWGC website as to where the 50 victims were buried and found that almost all the non-commonwealth names didn't come up via the CWGC search procedure.An e-mail to CWGC produced the news that they were only responsible for 49 and Nils Fuglesang was the missing name having been taken home in 1947.They sent a list of the remaining names which showed 48 in Poznan Old Cemetery and 1 in Berlin 1939-1945 Memorial Cemetery.CWGC do not seem to allow much access to the names of the considerable number of non-commonwealth personnel, for whom they have responsibility, via the website, but 3 of the executed escapers are accessible. It is difficult to see a pattern to their policy in this regard because there are other non commonwealth names that can be found

Thank You again

Dick


RE: Nils Fuglesang
Author: John Larder (Guest)
Time Stamp:
09:29:25 17 March 2007
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Dick

As I understand it whereas CWGC is directly responsible for Commonwealth graves which seems to include Czechs and Belgians (but they have all been repatriated) it is the contractor to the Polish Government etc. I did get a list of foriegn nationals from CWGC but the information is patchy. I didn't bother about Norwegians as I already had a list of those repatriated and those still in CWGC care provided by the source I gave you.


RE: Nils Fuglesang
Author: Dick
Time Stamp:
12:36:54 17 March 2007
Post:
Hi John

As part of the correspondence with CWGC they sent me a zipped file that opens out to 185 pages of non-commonwealth Airman in graves and on memorials over the whole world and for which CWGC take responsibility. The concentration on Commonwealth on their website is to be expected but they also give access to 3 from the Great Escape list,1 Lithuanian,1 Belgian and 1 Czech.It is also possible to get details of many of the American Eagle Sqn who gave their lives.As I said the pattern of non-commonwealth responsibility does not "spring to the eye" readily.

Thankyou for your help

All the Best

Dick