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No. 10 Air Gunner School

No. 10 Air Gunner School
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
16:57:01 Friday, July 13, 2007
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Does anybody have any links or data about 10 AGS at Barrow-in-Furness/Walney Island?

Regards

Max Williams

Portland, Dorset

www.galgos.co.uk


RE: No. 10 Air Gunner School
Author: Dakota
Time Stamp:
18:36:09 Friday, July 13, 2007
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Hi Peter

No. 10 Air Gunners School was formed at R.A.F. Station Castle Kenney, Wigttownshire on the 27th of April 1941 within No. 25 Group, R.A.F. Flying Training Command. It moved to R.A.F. Station Barrow-in-Furness, Lancashire effective the 15th of December 1941 which coincided with a transfer to No. 29 Group of R.A.F. Flying Training Command. The school was transferred back to No. 25 Group on the 28th of April 1943 and remained within this group unitl the end of the war.

During its wartime operation, No. 10 Air Gunners School conducted flying training with the following types of aircraft:

Armstrong Whitworth Whitley

Avro Anson

Avro Manchester

Avro Tutor

Blackburn Botha

Boulton Paul Defiant

de Havilland D.H.60G Gipsy Moth

de Havilland D.H.89A Dominie

Fairely Battle

Miles Martinet

Handley Page Harrow

Hawker Hendley

Miles Magister

Supermarine Spitfire

Vickers Wellington

Westland Lysander

Cheers...Chris



RE: No. 10 Air Gunner School
Author: Resmoroh
Time Stamp:
19:02:21 Friday, July 13, 2007
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Chris,

Ah, that accounts for it. When I visited the site of RAF Barrow-in-Furness (now known as Walney Island) in the mid-70's, on a bleak, cold, November afternoon, for the purpose of siting/installing an Automatic Weather Station I was struck by some rather large areas of concrete which had, presumably, been the base(s) of buildings on the former RAF Station.

Presumably they were the foundations of the vast Equipment Section(s) which would have needed to be of some size to house all the spares for all those aircraft!!!

But I jest! I do not, howvever, jest when I say that putative Air Gunners would have tried their best to Pass first time rather than endure another course at Walney. Eeven the possible delights of nearby Barrow-in-Furness could not compensate!

HTH

Peter Davies



RE: No. 10 Air Gunner School
Author: Bertrand H (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:03:12 Friday, July 13, 2007
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Hi Max,

Today I did a log book’s digital copies from an ex Free French who was posted in 10 AGS from 21 december 1944 up to 16 january 1945. Interested ?

Bertrand



RE: No. 10 Air Gunner School
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
19:17:37 Friday, July 13, 2007
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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 13-Jul-07 AT 07:19 PM (GMT)[/font][p]Yes please Bertrand. I too have a copy of a gunner's logbook who was at 10 AGS in 1944 and served with 467 squadron. I'm happy to send you a copy if it's of any interest.

Thank you Peter and Chris: my chap's logbook reveals his training was on Ansons.

It's also ironic, I used to work for Vickers Shipbuilding, I wasn't based at Barrow-in-Furness but down here in Portland, we were the link with the Admiralty Underwater Weapons Establishment as it was called then. I made many flights in the VSEL company plane (a Kingair I think) from initially Lyneham and latterly Hurn into Walney. If only I'd known then my interest now, I'd have taken more attention....but my goodness it's a bleak spot!

Max Williams

Portland, Dorset

www.galgos.co.uk (continuously updated!)


RE: No. 10 Air Gunner School
Author: allanoftruro
Time Stamp:
20:32:51 Friday, July 13, 2007
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Hi Max

My family lost a Cousin who served at 10 AGS - this is in memory of 1210694 LAC Owen Ralph Jolly RAFVR who died on active service on Thursday 11th February 1943 - aged 20. Owen was the son of Mr & Mrs Aaron Jolly of Southampton and husband of Doris Jolly of Barrow-in-Furness, Lancs. Remembered with Honour on Panel 171 of the Runnymede Memorial. And to the memory of his Pilot Sgt. Witold Szott (Polish) 10 AGS - Lysander IIIa V9666 Target Tug - serving so far from his home. Lost in the sea off of Whyre Point Light House, Fleetwood, Lancs - the bodies of both of the crew were not recovered. As far as I am aware Owen operated the winch for the TT drogue.

We had 2 family members serving as Navigators in Lancaster's (61 Squadron) and Mosquito's (107 Squadron), one in 8th Army, one in 7th Armoured Div from Normandy to the Baltic, Dad, with 125 Wing, from Normandy to Denmark and they all came home, but poor Owen, in what could probably have been described as the safest occupation of them all (if anything is "safest" in wartime), was lost in a tragic accident when it is believed the Lysander struck the mast of a ship in poor weather conditions.

Allan


RE: No. 10 Air Gunner School
Author: galgos
Time Stamp:
21:13:06 Friday, July 13, 2007
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Thank you for that Allan. I am increasingly aware of just how dangerous aircrew training at all stages actually was. My father, who was a pilot in Rhodesia, recounts many occasions when inexperienced pilots were either killed or had incredibly lucky escapes... all part of the general attrition of a nation at war.

Regards

Max Williams

Portland, Dorset

www.galgos.co.uk