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'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940

'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
13:36:55 Tuesday, October 23, 2007
Post:
Whatcaused the death of the following airmen:

LAC John L. NORRIS - 808431 - killed on active service (Flight Global), commemorated on Panel 3 of the Darlington Crematorium, Co.Durham (UK303A), and

P/O Laurence G.B. STONE - 43695, 66 Sqn (Spitfires - Horsham St.Faith/Norfolk) whose name I can't find in The Times and Flight Global archives, commemorated on Panel 10 of the Runnymede Memorial.

Regards and thanks for your help.

Henk.


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: mcmillan_p
Time Stamp:
14:05:43 Tuesday, October 23, 2007
Post:
I have K9804 Missing from patrol over Dunkerque .. BUT listed as with 616 Sqn (NOT 66 Sqn), however previously it was with 66 Sqn... But no pilot name listed - Can anyone identify pilot of this aircraft just to eliminate it?


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
14:36:12 Tuesday, October 23, 2007
Post:
Thanks Paul. K9804 could be correct for Stone. Let's wait for a confirmation.

Also forgot in my first entry to mention a/c write-offs in UK for this date:

Demon I - K5727 - 1 AAS - crashed on landing Manby.

Master I - N7445 - 5 FTS - dived into ground near Overton, Flintshire (already as casualty: Sgt [Pilot] Jack W. JENKINS - 742751).

Master I - N7622 - 8 FTS - abandoned Auchenblae, Kincardineshire

Regards,

Henk.


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Amrit
Time Stamp:
14:50:43 Tuesday, October 23, 2007
Post:
I can't find either Stone nor K9804 in Franks' FCL Volume 1.

However, the 616 site states

"On May 28th while patrolling over Dunkirk with 19 and 65 Squadrons they were bounced by 30 Messerschmit Bf 109's. In the ensuing battle three Messerschmit's were shot down but the Spitfire of the CO Sqd Ldr Robinson was forced to crash land badly damaged by enemy fire."

http://www.turner.force9.co.uk/616squadron.htm

A


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Dick
Time Stamp:
14:38:31 Tuesday, October 23, 2007
Post:
Hi Henk and Paul

Just to complicate matters!!! Norman Franks "Air Battle for Dunkirk" has K9804 as a casualty on 28/5/40 but with the pilot F/O R Hellyer-OK, he doesn't say what type or Sqn,he also reports a Hurricane P2792(no Sqn) as a casualty with pilot P/O G G Stone KIA,Victor Bingham "Blitzed"also gives a 213 Sqn Hurricane "C" shot down(no Serial!!), P/O Stone KIA. The Air Britain P Serials says P2792 was missing from a patrol over Dunkirk

Regards

Dick


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Amrit
Time Stamp:
15:01:30 Tuesday, October 23, 2007
Post:
Dick

Franks FCL gives the pilot of 213 Squadron as G G Stone too (no serial). He states "patrol. Body found in the water and buried at sea".

HOWEVER, looking through the CWGC, there is only one Stone in the Air Force killed on that date, and that is the L G B Stone that Henk was asking about.

Could Franks have got the the initials wrong, and CWGC the squadron wrong? Could Stone have transferred to 213 Squadron and the paperwork have been lost?

A


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Peter Cornwell (Guest)
Time Stamp:
17:33:29 Tuesday, October 23, 2007
Post:
Herewith FC losses for May 28, 1940:

19 Squadron, Hornchurch Patrol Dunkirk

Spitfire L1029. Returned damaged by cannon shell in cockpit following combat with Bf109s of I./JG26 north-west of Calais 9.45 a.m. Possibly that claimed by Oberlt Seifert (Staffelkapit%E4n) of 3./JG26. F/O G. W. Petre shrapnel wound in leg. Aircraft damaged but repairable.

54 Squadron, Hornchurch Patrol Dunkirk

Spitfire N3180. Radiator hit by return fire in attack on Bf110 of 7.(F)/LG2, turned off engine and belly-landed on beach west of Nieuport 5.30 a.m. P/O A. C. Deere injured forehead. Aircraft KL*B fired by pilot.

Spitfire. Returned slightly damaged by return fire during pursuit of Bf110 of 7.(F)/LG2 from Westende towards Bruges 5.30 a.m. P/O D. A. P. McMullen unhurt. Aircraft repairable.

65 Squadron, Hornchurch Patrol Calais

Spitfire P9435. Forced-landed on beach outside Dunkirk glycol tank damaged by return fire from Do17s of III./KG77 10.00 a.m. P/O T. Smart unhurt. Aircraft fired by pilot.

213 Squadron, Manston Escort Blenheims to St Omer

Hurricane P3354. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of 8./JG3 over Ostend and crashed near Langemark, north of Ypres, 6.45 a.m. F/Lt E. G. Winning killed. Aircraft AK*E a write-off.

Hurricane P2817. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of 8./JG3 and crashed in sea off Ostend 6.45 a.m. Sgt T. Boyd rescued unhurt. Aircraft AK*B lost.

Hurricane P2721. Shot down in combat with Bf109s and crashed in sea off Dunkirk 11.45 a.m. Possibly that claimed by Oberlt Schmoller-Haldy (Staffelkapit%E4n) of 3./JG54. Sgt S. L. Butterfield baled out and rescued by paddle steamer Sundown landing at Margate. Aircraft lost.

Hurricane P2792. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of 3./JG54 and crashed in sea off Dunkirk 11.45 a.m. Possibly that claimed by Uffz Kranz. P/O L. G. B. Stone missing. Aircraft AK*C lost.

Laurence Stone was reported found and buried at sea by the Royal Navy.

Hurricane P2834. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of 3./JG54 and crashed in sea off Dunkirk 11.50 a.m. Possibly that claimed by Lt Witt. Sgt J. A. Lichman wounded in arm, rescued and admitted to Victoria Hospital in Dover. Aircraft AK*R lost.

229 Squadron, Biggin Hill Patrol Ostend

Hurricane N2551. Believed shot down by Bf109s of II./JG26 over the Channel south-east of Dover 11.40 a.m. Sgt S. A. Hillman killed. Aircraft lost.

242 Squadron, Manston Patrol Ostend

Hurricane N2651. Oil system destroyed in combat with Bf109s of III./JG26 and crash-landed near Ostend 11.30 a.m. Possibly that claimed by Lt Ebeling of 8./JG26. P/O A. H. Deacon wounded leg and face, later captured in Antwerp. Aircraft a write-off.

Hurricane L1746. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of III./JG26 over Nieuport and believed crashed near Oostduinkerke 11.30 a.m. Possibly that claimed by Oberlt Beyer of 7./JG26. P/O D. F. Jones killed. Aircraft a write-off.

Hurricane. Returned with oil system badly damaged in combat with Bf109s of III./JG26 over Ostend 11.30 a.m. Possibly that claimed by Lt M%FCller-D%FChe of 7./JG26. P/O W. L. McKnight unhurt. Aircraft damaged but repairable.

264 Squadron, Manston Patrol Dunkirk - Calais

Defiant L6959. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of 6./JG51 over the Channel north-west of Dunkirk 12.05 p.m. and probably one of those claimed by Oberlt Priller (Staffelkapit%E4n). F/Lt E. H. Whitehouse missing and P/O H. Scott killed. Aircraft a write-off.

Defiant L7007. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of 6./JG51 over the Channel north-west of Dunkirk 12.05 p.m. and probably one of those claimed by Oberlt Priller (Staffelkapit%E4n). P/O A. MacLeod missing and P/O J. E. Hatfield killed. Aircraft a write-off.

Defiant L6953. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of 6./JG51 over the Channel north-west of Dunkirk 12.05 p.m. Possibly that claimed by Lt Huppertz. Sgt L. C. W. Daisley and LAC H. Revill killed. Aircraft a write-off.

Defiant. Returned damaged in wings and tail in combat with Bf109s of 6./JG51 over the Channel north-west of Dunkirk 12.05 p.m. Possibly that claimed by Uffz Haase. Sgt E. R. Thorn and LAC F. J. Barker unhurt. Aircraft repairable.

611 Squadron, Martlesham Heath Patrol Dunkirk

Spitfire N3059. Swerved to avoid another aircraft and tipped up on landing in mist after transfer flight from Digby 5.20 a.m. P/O C. H. MacFie unhurt. Aircraft repairable.

616 Squadron, Rochford Patrol Dunkirk

Spitfire K9804. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of I./JG26 and believed ditched north-west of Calais 9.45 a.m. Possibly that claimed by Oberlt Losigkeit (Staffelkapit%E4n) of 2./JG26. F/O R. O. Hellyer rescued unhurt. Aircraft a write-off.

Spitfire K9947. Returned damaged in combat with Bf109s of I./JG26 north-west of Calais 9.45 a.m. Sgt M. Ridley slightly wounded in head. Aircraft damaged but repairable.

Spitfire. Badly damaged in combat with Bf109s of I./JG26 north-west of Calais and crash-landed at Manston 10.00 a.m. S/Ldr M. Robinson unhurt. Aircraft damaged but repairable.

Spitfire. Returned damaged following combat with Bf109s of I./JG26 north-west of Calais 9.45 a.m. F/O G. E. Moberley unhurt. Aircraft repairable.

Spitfire. Returned hit in wings during combat with Bf109s of I./JG26 north-west of Calais 9.45 a.m. P/O E. W. S. Scott unhurt. Aircraft repairable.



RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: mcmillan_p
Time Stamp:
10:39:28 Wednesday, October 24, 2007
Post:
Peter

Thanks for this very interesting list, just a couple of 'left field' thoughts:

a) I have K9903 of 65 Sqn damaged ops 28-5-40 - I wonder if this is the aircraft P. McMullen was injured in. I know he is from 54 Sqn - But both Sqns were based at Hornchurch at the time - Could he have 'borrowed' a machine from 65 Sqn - Or could they have shared aircraft?

b) I also have N3037 of 66 Sqn 'damaged 28-5-40'. I note you have no 66 Sqn losses on this date.. Could it be a typo on the aircraft form for 616 (I must say I really doubt this!)..


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
11:38:43 Wednesday, October 24, 2007
Post:
Tanks Peter sharing all this excellent info with us.

Regards,

Henk.


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: DaveW
Time Stamp:
13:18:59 Wednesday, October 24, 2007
Post:
Henk,

Death cert records Norris's death as the result of a flying accident at Hawkhill Farm, Glenbervie, Kincardineshire. Was he still with the Master N7622 which is said to have been abandoned in this area? No other relevant fatality recorded.

regards

Dave


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
13:32:35 Wednesday, October 24, 2007
Post:
Thanks Dave. Will add this info to his name in my files. He may have abandoned the Master but probably killed while going off the plane from a too low altitude or improper working/wrong handling parachute.

Regards,

Henk.


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
14:41:34 Wednesday, October 24, 2007
Post:
Question for Peter Cornwell:

Sgt T. Boyd - 28-5-1940 - P2817 - 213 Sqn:

Was this Thomas BOYD - 516716, who died three days later (31/5) flying AK-A and lies buried at St.Joriz-les-Nieuport, Belgium ?

Was AK-A serial P2763 or P3361 ?

Regards,

Henk.


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Peter Cornwell (Guest)
Time Stamp:
06:00:40 Thursday, October 25, 2007
Post:
Henk,

Herewith No. 213 Squadron losses for 31 May, 1940. I regret that I am pressed for time, just completing 'The Battle of France Then & Now' for publication early next year.

213 Squadron, Manston Patrol Dunkirk

Hurricane. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of III./JG26 and abandoned off Dunkirk 2.40 p.m. S/L H. D. McGregor baled out unhurt, landing in a mine-field, rescued unhurt and landed at Dover. Aircraft AK*L lost.

Hurricane P2763. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of III./JG26 and abandoned over Dunkirk 2.40 p.m. F/O Robinson baled out unhurt. Aircraft AK*G a write-off.

Hurricane P3424. Set alight in combat with Bf109s of III./JG26 and crash-landed south of Dunkirk 2.40 p.m. P/O W. M. Sizer unhurt. Aircraft AK*P a write-off.

Hurricane P3361. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of III./JG26 over Dunkirk 2.40 p.m. F/O W. N. Gray killed. Aircraft AK*D a write-off.

Hurricane P3419. Shot down in combat with Bf109s of III./JG26 over Nieuport 2.40 p.m. Sgt T. Boyd killed. Aircraft AK*A a write-off.



RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Henk Welting (Guest)
Time Stamp:
12:14:07 Thursday, October 25, 2007
Post:
Thanks Peter for this excellent info. Wish you lots of success with 'The Battle of France Then & Now'.

Regards,

Henk.


RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 28-5-1940
Author: Peter Cornwell (Guest)
Time Stamp:
13:56:29 Friday, October 26, 2007
Post:
Thanks Henk. I have just sent the final text to the publishers. Now I'm off to lie down in a darkened room for a few weeks.