"78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45"

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Greg (0 posts) Click to EMail Greg Click to send private message to Greg Click to check IP address of the poster
20-May-04, 08:04 AM (GMT)
"78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45"
Hi all,

I'm looking foir some gen on the crash of a 78 Sqn (Dakota?), serial KP235?, on the 5th of September 1945, during the move of 78 Squadron to the Middle East. I have a copy of the 78 Sqn ORB for the day concerned, but little else. I'm looking for a crew list if possible, plus any information at all on the crash.

Thanks in advance for any gen anyone can come up with.

L/O

Greg

"You can take the boy out of Wales,
But you can't take Wales out of the boy..."

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45 Alan Smith (Guest) 20-May-04 1
   RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45 errol.martyn@xtra.co.nz (Guest) 20-May-04 2
       RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45 Greg 20-May-04 4
 RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45 Henk Welting (Guest) 20-May-04 3
   RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45 Greg 20-May-04 5
       RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45 Henk Welting (Guest) 21-May-04 6

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Alan Smith (Guest) (194 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
20-May-04, 09:02 AM (GMT)
1. "RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45"
Greg,
Air Britain states that the Dakota IV, KP235 stalled on take-off in mist and crashed at Istres.
Regret I do not have details of the casualties.
Regards,
Alan


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errol.martyn@xtra.co.nz (Guest) (2455 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
20-May-04, 09:28 AM (GMT)
2. "RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45"
Greg,

Air-Britain serial book confirms Dakota IV KP235 of 78 Sqn as stalled on take-off in mist and crashed, Istres, 5.9.45.

The printed CWGC register for Mazargues Cemetery Extension, Marseilles (pub in 1962) lists the following this Sqn/date (leave you to go to the CWGC website if the full entries are required):

ARCHER, Cpl Hedley Brightmore (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 6)
BELL, LAC Robert (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 12)
BRIDDOCK, LAC David (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 11)
CHAMBERLAIN, LAC Walter James (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 15)
COLDWELL, Cpl George Eric (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 16)
DEAN, Flt Sgt (WOpAG) Eric Frank (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 9)
DICKINSON, Fg Off (Pilot) John Edward (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 7)
ELLIOTT, LAC Ronald Fulstone (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 2)
HADDOCK, LAC Victor Robert (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 13)
HAMSHERE, LAC Alfred Edgar (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 3)
HUTCHINSON, Cpl Joseph (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 8) (note death date given as 6th)
JONES, LAC George Brice (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 17)
MORGAN, LAC John Ivor (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 14)
RICHARDS, LAC Ronald (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 10)
SUTTON, LAC Edmund Stuart (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 1)
VENABLES, Fg Off (Pilot) Arthur Ernest (brother of GWV) (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 4)
VENABLES, Fg Off (Nav) Guy Willberforce (brother of AEV) (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 5)

And a possible died of injuries later victim:
STEVENS, LAC Joseph Charles (dated 28 Sep 45, but no Sqn No. given) (Plot 11. Row A. Grave 1A)

A diagram mapping out the grave locations shows a small but distinct gap between graves 1-17 and 18-33 in plot 11, thus suggesting that all of the 78 Sqn victims are interred in 1-17 (note that Sutton is grave 1 and Stevens is grave 1A).

I entered grave info above as a cross check that I had picked up on all 17 (18 if Stevens included, as seems likely he should be) who died (assuming that no others died and were buried elsewhere).

Errol

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Greg (0 posts) Click to EMail Greg Click to send private message to Greg Click to check IP address of the poster
20-May-04, 07:47 PM (GMT)
4. "RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45"
Alan and Errol,

Many thanks for your excellent and "gen-heavy" replies, exactly what i was looking for.

I owe you both a couple of pints

Greg

"You can take the boy out of Wales,
But you can't take Wales out of the boy..."

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Henk Welting (Guest) (3341 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
20-May-04, 02:09 PM (GMT)
3. "RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45"
Seven passengers survived. I have their names.
Regards,
Henk.
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Greg (0 posts) Click to EMail Greg Click to send private message to Greg Click to check IP address of the poster
20-May-04, 07:48 PM (GMT)
5. "RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45"
HI Henk,

Many thanks - would it be possible for you to post the names of the survivors here, or perhaps email them to me?

Thanks in anticipation,

Greg

"You can take the boy out of Wales,
But you can't take Wales out of the boy..."

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Henk Welting (Guest) (3341 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
21-May-04, 01:39 PM (GMT)
6. "RE: 78 Sqn crash, 5 Sept '45"
Hello Greg,
Here are the names of the survivors:
Cpl (Fitter II/E) George W. BLEWETT
Cpl (Elec) Eric M. LAMB
Cpl (Elec I) Gilbert H. ORMAN
Cpl (Elec I) Richard W.H. WILLIAMS
LAC (B/Cp?) Ernest ARMITAGE
Lac (M/Cyclist) William GUNNINGHAM
LAC (Driver MT) Walter GRAHAM
Regards,
Henk.
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