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|Abbreviations and acronyms||Jason,
I found your thread 'Abbreviation and acronyms' in the old archives, but could I suggest you repeat the link here?
While I'm about it here's a few more to add:
ATD - Actual Time of Departure
ETD - Estimated Time of Departure
ETA - Emergency Temporary Accommodation (this was actually the code name for the wartime location of the Central Forecasting Office at Dunstable. The CFO moved into what was intended to be temporary wartime accommodation in Feb 1940 - and remained there until 1961!)
Brian ....Read More.||Lyffe on 13th November 2007 01:52:41|
|RAF/RAF OR Service Numbers||RFC/RAF SERVICE NUMBERS (Courtesy of Air Force Deaths site)
At least until the 1950s, the service numbers of RFC and RAF personnel indicated the date and manner of joining the service. The RFC numbering system began at 1 in 1912, the initial allocations being to men who had transferred in from the Royal Engineers and subsequent ones to civilian recruits. The RNAS commenced its own numbering system when it became a separate entity in July 1914 - again commencing with 1, but prefixed by the letter F. When the RAF was formed, RFC men kept their original service numbers. However, as the RNAS numbering system had also begun at 1, all RNAS men inherited by the RAF had 200000 added to their original numbers, and the prefix F was dropped. All RNAS personnel were renumbered in 1918, including the dead. (RNAS squadrons had 200 added to their numbers).
NCOs who were commissioned received new service numbers.
In most cases all the numbers in a block were allocated; figures given in brackets indicate the highest numbers actually issued if the allocation was not total.
NUMBERS LAST NUMBER DATE OF TO WHOM ALLOCATED
USED IF BLOCK ALLOCATION
1 to 515 1912 RFC: transfers and civilians
516 to 1013 1913 RFC - transfers and civilians
1014 to 2690 1914 RFC - transfers and civilians
2691 to 17400 1915 RFC - transfers and civilians
17401 to 39639 1916 RFC - civilians
39640 to 40300 Jly-Oct 1916 RFC - transfers
40301 to 45300 Jly-Aug 1916 RFC - transfers
47301 to 49300 Aug-Nov 1916 RFC - civilians
49301 to 49800 Aug-Oct 1916 RFC - transfers
49801 to 50800 Nov-Dec 1916 RFC - civilians
50801 to 51800 Oct 1916-Jan 1917 RFC - transfers
51801 to 52800 Dec 1916 RFC - civilians
52801 to 52950 52949 Dec 1916-Jan 1917 AID Examiners
52951 to 56950 Jan 1917 RFC - civilians
56951 to 57950 Jan 1917 RFC - transfers
57951 to 60950 Feb 1917 RFC - civilians
60951 to 61950 Jan-Feb 1917 RFC - transfers
61951 to 64950 Feb-Mar 1917 RFC - civilians
64951 to 65950 Feb-Mar 1917 RFC - transfers
65951 to 68950 Mar 1917 RFC - civilians
68951 to 69000 68997 Jan-May 1917 RFC - cadets
69001 to 70000 Mar-Apr 1917 RFC - civilians
70001 to 75000 Feb-Sep 1917 RFC - Canadians
75001 to 77000 Apr 1917 RFC - civilians
77001 to 77100 Jan 1917 AID Examiners
77101 to 79100 Mar-May 1917 RFC - transfers
79101 to 80100 Apr- May 1917 RFC - civilians
80101 to 80200 Apr 1917 AID Examiners
80201 to 84200 May 1917 RFC - civilians
84201 to 84400 84202 May 1917 AID Examiners
84401 to 87400 Jun-Jly 1917 RFC - civilians
87401 to 88400 Jly 1917 RFC - transfers
88401 to 90400 Jly-Aug 1917 RFC - civilians
90401 to 90600 Jly 1917 AID Examiners
90601 to 93600 Aug-Sep 1917 RFC - civilians
93601 to 94600 Sep 1917 RFC - transfers
94601 to 95600 Sep 1917 RFC - civilians
95601 to 95700 Sep 1917 AID Examiners
95701 to 98700 Sep-Oct 1917 RFC - civilians
98701 to 99700 Oct 1917 RFC - transfers
99701 to 100700 Oct-Nov 1917 R ....Read More.||Resmoroh on 14th November 2007 09:30:56|
|Welcome and thanks..||Well done Ross and Co for keeping the site going despite the worst efforts of the spammers. As a premier site on RAF historical matters RAF Commands can now only go from strength to strength free of the attentions of the internet nuisances. I am looking forward to the usual high quality exchanges of historic and other relevant information the site has provided in the past,
No.268 Squadron Royal Air Force, 1940-1946
Historian by Appointment
(by the surviving Squadron members) ....Read More.||ColFord on 14th November 2007 02:51:18|
|German War Graves Commission||Hi Gary
I don't if this helps but I have a list of non-commonwealth airmen for whom CWGC accept responsibility. In Scampton there are 8 Luftwaffe graves in the War Graves plot.
Helmut Wimmeder Grave1
Johnnes Dietrich Grave 2
Kurt Hanning Grave3
Wilhelm August Christian Hansen Grave4
These all died on May 12 1940
Alfred Altenkirch Grave5
Werner Nollau Grave 6
Heinrich Conze Grave7
Rudolf Scherer Grave 8
These all died on Mar 4 1945
The List doesn't give rank but it does have ages and Service Numbers. The fact of 8 burials does suggest complete crews of 2 HE111s. It could be that a body recovered long after the war was taken to Cannock or Cannock Chase for burial and my list does include those but I would need a name to narrow the search
Dick ....Read More.||Dick on 14th November 2007 06:11:35|
|North Coates and Langham Wings strike 15/6/1944||Hi Dick,
I found the book in Germany and ordered it for about 8 pounds including shipping.
Hopefully it will come fast to me.
I also bougth this Titel: A Forgotten Offensive : Royal Air Force Coastal Command's offensive against German sea-trade between 1940 and 1945.
From the autor: Goulter, Christina J.M.
There must be also a part of that strike in that book, do you know it? is it a good book?
Thank you for you're answer.
Remy ....Read More.||Remy on 14th November 2007 06:23:41|
|How much for that Spitfire Mister?||David,
Yes, £5,000 for a presentation Spitfire. London Times 30 November 1940:
"The Netherlands East Indies is making Mr. Winston Churchill, who is 66 to-day, a birthday present of seven Spitfires. In a telegram to Lord Beaverbrook, Minister for Aircraft Production, yesterday, the local Spitfire Fund organizers state:- To-morrow (Saturday) we are remitting to Mr. Churchill £35,000 as a birthday present for seven Spitfires. Please christen them Ceram, Batavia, Bandoeng, Merapi, Soebang, Toba, and O.A.B."
"Soebang" (P8332), the last surviving presentation Spitfire, is currently on display at the Canadian War Musem.
http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/SupermarineSpitfireMkIIB.shtml ....Read More.||Ken MacLean on 15th November 2007 02:00:08|
|Bomber Command Night Reports.||Kevin,
I recall seeing files in the NA that were monthly summaries by one of the Groups - these included acounts of raids in which the Group was involved. I think it was 3 Group, and there is certainly a series of files AIE14/2363 - AIR14/2367 (Monthly summary of events) covering April 1940 to November 1945.
I think I was looking something up for Max (Galgos) at the time, so it is just possible he still has the file reference. Unfortunately I've deleted our exchange of emails.
However, you might be better served by AIR14/2984-AIR13/2984 (PFF attacks by Main Force on enemy targets: briefing statements and reports). I have not viewed these files so do not know what they contain.
I have been unable to find any corresponding HQ Bomber Command files, but surely they must exist somewhere. You could try asking Hendon for a lead.
Brian ....Read More.||Lyffe on 15th November 2007 02:49:51|
|German War Graves Commission||Sorry Gary but I misread a date .The 1st 4 were killed in 1941 not 1940
Dick ....Read More.||Dick on 15th November 2007 03:20:07|
|How much for that Spitfire Mister?||THE COST OF A SPITFIRE In 1940
(includes a general breakdown or parts etc, but does not include the cost of actually training a pilot!)
And the cost of US aircraft can be found:
Somewhere I have a few more British aircraft that I'll try to find. ....Read More.||Amrit on 15th November 2007 04:23:59|
|263 Squadron individual id letters||Hi Chris,
Thanks for the extra info. Can I ask the source for the Gladiators serials? I have to be careful here as 605 Squadron operated Gladiators from around April-Aug 1939 and used the code HE. 263 Squadron was formed in October 1939 with the initial batch of Gladiators (K6145, K7917, K7952, K7961, K7965, K7979, K7985, K8004, K8032, K8044) being ex-605 Squadron.
K7942 was lost in a collision while with 65 Squadron in February 1938 (The K File). In Ian Pipers book on 605 Sqn he does mention that K7942 served with 605 Sqn and wore the codes HE-H. I wonder if that's a typo for K7952, which is also mentioned.
K7946 seved with 605 Sqn as HE-R. According to the K File this aircraft never served with 263 Sqn.
N5586 was with 605 Sqn coded HE-K. It was later passed on to 615 Sqn and there is no further trace after May 1940, so it may have been lost in France (RAF Serials L1000-N9999).
Alex ....Read More.||Alex Crawford on 15th November 2007 01:26:35|
|58 squadron loss||CWGC 58 squadron airmen commemorated this day were:
H ....Read More.||Howdie on 16th November 2007 10:23:13|
|Len Whittle-704(AC) Sqdn.,Odiham,Hants||I have been given some undated photo's.On the back,signed by a Len Whittle."L.Whittle"Signals 704(AC)Sqdn,Odiham,Hants"
I have checked the CWG site and,although I don't know if this man was kia,there is a Sgt Leonard Whittle,W/Op/A/G of 58 squadron,kia 19.6.1940 on an op to Castrop-Rauxel.
Can anyone tell me anything about Odiham and if they have come across a Len Whittle,as i am trying to establish if the photo's are of the same man killed in 1940 in 58 squadron
many thanks ....Read More.||Linda on 17th November 2007 05:38:25|
|Len Whittle-704(AC) Sqdn.,Odiham,Hants||Hi Linda
On the date you have for the loss of Sgt Whittle ,58 Sqn were flying Whitleys from Linton-on-Ouse and according to Jefford's RAF Sqns never operated from Odiham. The Sqns in the 700 and 800 series were Fleet Air Arm. From the casualty list of HMS Glorious,sunk in June 1940, it seems that some FAA Sqns had some RAF personnel on their strength but how long this went on and which Sqns in total I don't know.The (AC) could be Army Co-operation but the Sqn No is FAA. It might a Raf Regt unit but again the Sqn no. doesn't seem to fit
Dick ....Read More.||Dick on 17th November 2007 05:31:06|
|Mid-Air Collision, 7 SFTS, 1941||Hi Dave
Thanks for your message. Not sure, but I have a page written by the pilot in question stating above "SFTS Montrose" then later, "While at SFTS Montrose collided with another Master while doing instrument flying. Tore off my starb'd wingtip, crash landed on drome at 140 MPH - lowest speed at which I had control of aircraft."
I'm afraid that's all I have. He enlisted 12 July 1940, joined 5 ITW at Torquay in 1940, then went to 13 EFTS at White Waltham & Peterborough, then to 7(?) SFTS at Montrose, I assume some time in 1941 (no dates given).
Steve ....Read More.||Steve Brew on 18th November 2007 03:55:05|
|Crewing of O.T.U. Wellingtons||Rene and Hugh,
I must admit that I was thinking more of the very early days on Wellingtons at the OTUs (1940/41) rather than later, and I my main source has been a detailed diary of an RNZAF pilot posted to 27 OTU Lichfield as an "instructor" in early September 1941 (although at this early date anybody who had completed a tour of operations was considered to know enough to be a staff instructor at an OTU, having survived 30-odd sorted in enemy air space!) He also I will have to study these invaluable notes a bit more I see. However I remember reading that my 27 OTU instructor, although mainly involved with pilot conversion training, used to sometimes accompany crews on night cross countrys all arounf England and over the Irish Sea, so I would not be surprised if this was not a common feature. I also imagine that staff navigators and/or W/Opr A/Gs would frequently accompany trainee crews on such flights at OTUs, especically in the earlier stages of training to see that they would not get into too much trouble - bludering around the night skies over Britain early in WW2 was actually quite a dangereous occupation, especially in the case of partially trained crews. It was for this reason that new pilots, observers and W/Opr A/Gs on arrival from Canada, Australia or NZ in the 1940/41 period were prone to getting lost very easily in the dark, cloudy and crowded skies over Britain, and why the Pilot and Observer (Advanced) Flying Units were set up at the beginning of 1942 to acclimatise these men to the strange and dangerous conditions to be encountered.
Have included here a few notes from this diary (pilot was F/Sgt D C Stewart) as he was also a participant in the late May 1942 attack on Cologne. These also include few notes of explanation regarding some of the RAF "lingo" used in the diary. Originally I had these in italics, but these do not come through on pasting to this forum, although they are still in brackets so should be easy to spot. Enjoy. You will note that Stewrat was mighty sick of being a staff instructor at 27 OTU (fancy wanting to transfer to Stalin's Red Air Force in 1942!!)
DAIRY OF D C STEWART, RNZAF.
Monday 25th May 1942:
Went on eight day leave last Thursday, but it didnít last long Ė got recalled on Sunday - there is a bit of a flap on. We have all been crewed up ready for ops Ė donít think it will come to anything, probably only a practice. (This of course was Operation Millennium, the first 1,000 Bomber raid).
Am I bloody well fed up with this place; the G.C. has delayed my W.O. for 3 months for no reason whatsoever. Evidently Davis said he didnít see why I should get it before Lisle and Allan although he told the Wingco there was nothing wrong with me, and I see no reason why I shouldnít get it. One thing, I shall take less interest then ever in the Flight now, you donít get any thanks for putting yourself out. Perhaps should join the Red Air Force. Still, it makes you wonder why you joined ....Read More.||David Duxbury on 18th November 2007 05:15:14|
|Mid-Air Collision, 7 SFTS, 1941||Steve
The reason I query is because (RAF Flying Training & Support Units)7 FTS was not at Montrose did not have any Masters, and in any case was disbanded to form 31 SFTS in Canada early in 1941. Reformed at Peterborough ex 7 PAFU in 1944.
8 SFTS was at Montrose with 108 Masters as complement in September 1940
Of the possibilities that I listed, the ones cited as being Montrose or Montrose area are T8630, N7488 and N7554.
DaveW ....Read More.||davew on 19th November 2007 07:23:00|
|Mid-Air Collision, 7 SFTS, 1941||By coincidence, I'm currently going through the daily diary of 31 SFTS in Canada. The move from Peterborough in the UK was in several stages, spread over several months. The first ground parties were at Kingston by September 1940, still calling themselves 7 SFTS. The Canadian part became 31 SFTS on 7 October 1940, but the UK part probably remained 7 SFTS for a few more months. The first Harvards and Battles arrived at Kingston on 20 October 1940, and flying in Canada started that day. ....Read More.||Bill Walker on 19th November 2007 07:51:36|
|Len Whittle-704(AC) Sqdn.,Odiham,Hants||Hi Linda
I am stretching credulity to breaking point but is there any chance that the written 704 could be No4.,because 4(AC)Sqn were based at Odiham from Feb 37 to 29/9/39 when they went to France.They were pulled out in May 1940 and went to Ringway with a detachment at Detling.In Jun 40 to Aug 40 they were at Linton-on-Ouse!!.They had Hawker Audax's and Hectors to Dec 38 when they got Lysanders. Any sign of an a/c showing in the background? Just a thought-mad as it is!!
Dick ....Read More.||Dick on 19th November 2007 09:30:17|
|Identification of aircraft||Hi Andy
Air Britain P-Serials gives P2453 as a Magister used by CF Heliopolis/267/127 S.O.C 31.5.45. They don't give dates of transfer between units. The same book has P2435 as a Magister but has it as lost in France in 1940 with AAF.
Dick ....Read More.||Dick on 19th November 2007 12:38:01|
|DFC for F/Lt. EJ Brooks.||Hallo all,
Can anyone please supply me with the citation for the DFC awarded to F/Lt. Edward John Brooks (37378) ? It was announced in the London Gazette of 17 January 1941. If not the full citation I would still be very interested to learn why he received the DFC. It is frustrating that his is one of the very few names in that list without a squadron reference. I am aware he was with 228 Squadron c.1939-1940, but I would like to have seen it quoted in connection to the award !
Regards as ever,
Martin Gleeson. ....Read More.||Martin Gleeson on 19th November 2007 04:37:19|
|DFC for F/Lt. EJ Brooks.||BROOKS, Edward John, F/L (37378, Royal Air Force) - No.228 Squadron - Distinguished Flying Cross - awarded as per London Gazette dated 17 January 1941. Public Record Office Air 2/9251 has citation. Serving at Station Pembroke Dock at time of gazetting, but all services mentioned hitherto had been with No.228 Squadron, including time in Middle East.
"Flight Lieutenant Brooks has been engaged on operational flying since September 1939. He has made three successful attacks on enemy submarines. In April 1940, he carried out a reconnaissance of the Norwegian coast which earned him the congratulations of the Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Coastal Command. In July, whilst operating near Gibraltar, he was engaged by three French fighters, and although possibly two of these were destroyed, he did not open fire until he was certain that the intention of the French aircraft was hostile. He has at all times shown great courage and devotion to duty." ....Read More.||HughAHalliday on 19th November 2007 07:57:50|
|Robert Standford-Tuck and Whirlwind||I do have a copy, I can't see any mention of a Whirlwind flight between 6-1940 -1-1942. I do see flights in Mosquito aircraft when he returned from captivity September 1945 !
Mark ....Read More.||Marks on 20th November 2007 02:46:50|
|Robert Standford-Tuck and Whirlwind||[QUOTE=Marks;465]I do have a copy, I can't see any mention of a Whirlwind flight between 6-1940 -1-1942. I do see flights in Mosquito aircraft when he returned from captivity September 1945 !
Interesting, Thanks for looking,
At least the mosquito bit is right, so it gives credability to the web page interview.
Maybe Tuck's whirlwind flights were ' off the record ' ?
Jerry ....Read More.||brewerjerry on 20th November 2007 05:08:39|
|Blenheim L.8386||My neice very recently did a Google search of some information we had turned up from the family archive and turned up a thread on your old board about Blenheim losses in Egypt in 1940. Blenheim L.8386 crashed 60 miles east of Suez in the early hours of 12th May 1940. My father, LAC King was the only survivor from among the four crew. He never talked about the crash and is long dead, but we have started to take a belated interest and were fascinated by the details about the incident given in the thread.
I've now found I have my father's logbook. The final two entries read as follows:
May 11 1940 0645-0845 L.8386 Sgt. Claxton Operational exercise Flight formation W/T ok Landed Fuka 2hrs
2350- ? L.8386 Sgt Claxton To Ismalia Crashed Sinai Desert 60 miles east of Suez Sgt Claxton x Sgt Smith x LAC Jobling x
The thread we found added the information that the aircraft had been on a searchlight and observer post exercise, became lost and flew into high ground at 1,000 ft while trying to locate a landmark. If anyone could point me towards further details I would be very grateful. ....Read More.||Peter_King on 21st November 2007 06:20:04|
Does any one have the serial of the Mk.1 Sunderland Flying Boat which sank off the Pembrokeshire Dock after a storm in 1940?
Dave ....Read More.||DaveM2 on 21st November 2007 06:30:29|