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 Spitfire PR.IV  AA800


PRIV 2145 HEA M45 FF.....[TRUNCATED] More information in: AirHistory.org.uk Spitfire Site

Aircraft Accident / Loss Entry

Date of Crash 30 Jul 42 Aircraft Name Spitfire PR.IV Serial Number AA800
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Source Coastal Command and Fleet Air Arm Losses Forum Henk Welting's Database

Casualities in the CWGC Register for Spitfire PR.IV AA800

Rank Name, Number, Trade & Details DateUnit Country Cemetery/Memorial & Loc Ref
Flying OfficerJohn Leahy TULLY (404189) Spitfire PR.IV AA800  Forum Post 1942-07-301 PRU United KingdomRunnymede Memorial

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PR Spitfire loss over the OslofjordKnut, Just went through my database searching for PR Spits missing in Norway (where indicated). Som suggestions, but they are all suggested mission far from Oslofjord: R7035, Stavanger, 18-3-42 R7041, Kristiansand, 12-1-43 R7056, Trondheim, SOC 12-4-42 X4496, mission a1ong Norwegian coast crashed at Ockemen (?) Norway, 9-6-41 X4500, Stavanger and Kirstiansand, 1-9-41 AA797, Trondheim, SOC 3-4-42 AA800, Bergen, 30-7-42 AA810, Trondheim, 5-3-42 AB127, Trondheim, 10-5-42 Nothing much, and you probably already have examined these, but hope to help. Mikkel ....Read More.Mikkel Plannthin on 20th May 2008 02:00:28
F/L Haydn Jones 1 PRU 30.07.42Hi, Spitfire AA800 Regards Ross ....Read More.Ross_McNeill on 20th December 2009 08:22:46
F/L Haydn Jones 1 PRU 30.07.42Hi Steve, F/L Haydn Mortimer Jones 1 PRU, KIA Took off from Benson at 15:30 in a Spitfire PR.IV (AB301) on sortie C/131 Objective: Hamburg, Lubeck, Delmenhorst, Wilhelmshaven and Vegesack I have AA800 lost same day 30 Jul 42 with F/O John Leahy Tully (RAAF) 1 PRU, MIA Took off from Wick (no time) on sortie F/156 to Bergen May I ask your interest in F/L Jones Best Regards Andy Fletcher ....Read More.Andy Fletcher on 20th December 2009 01:07:47
F/L Haydn Jones 1 PRU 30.07.42[QUOTE=Ross_McNeill;40989]Hi Andy, For Tully I have AB301 Missing on mission to Lubeck. F/O Leahy of Quilpie, Queensland, is commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial to the Missing. A group of airwar researchers in Northern Germany has investigated this matter and has come to the conclusion that this Pilot went down with his Spitfire AB301 at 17:30 hrs after having been under attack of a Fw190 fighter of I./JG1. The crash-site was in a quarry in the village of Berensch, about 9 km SW of the town of Cuxhaven, on the North Sea coast. The a/c burned; personnel of the German Air Force Base Nordholz recovered the remains of the pilot and salvaged the a/c. The pilot could not be identified by name, due to the fire, and was buried in the cemetery of Berensch, along the hedge. After the war the body was exhumed by a British MRES team. Airmen who fell in that area were reinterred in Becklingen British War Cemetery near Soltau, and it is believed that the Unknown Airman of Berensch was also buried there. Regards Ross[/QUOTE] Hi Ross, The AB301 loss ties in with F/L Jones, whose objectives in N.W. Germany would have taken him near Cuxhaven. F/O Tully was a member of 'E' Flight at Wick. AA800 was an 'E' Flight machine, having been previously with 'B' Flight at Wick before it being handed over to 'E' Flight Best Regards Andy Fletcher ....Read More.Andy Fletcher on 20th December 2009 02:03:55
F/L Haydn Jones 1 PRU 30.07.42Hi Ross, I know that ORBs aren't infallible but I've just had a look through the 1 PRU ORB to double check. The F.541 lists Tully as being in AA800 and Jones in AB301. Also http://spitfires.ukf.net/p016.htm gives AA800 as being lost on a mission to Bergen, which fits with it operating from Wick with Tully as pilot. Cheers Andy Fletcher ....Read More.Andy Fletcher on 21st December 2009 05:11:47
F/L Haydn Jones 1 PRU 30.07.42[QUOTE=Andy Fletcher;41011]Hi Ross, I know that ORBs aren't infallible but I've just had a look through the 1 PRU ORB to double check. The F.541 lists Tully as being in AA800 and Jones in AB301. Also http://spitfires.ukf.net/p016.htm gives AA800 as being lost on a mission to Bergen, which fits with it operating from Wick with Tully as pilot. Cheers Andy Fletcher[/QUOTE] Hi, John Leahy Tully was my great Uncle. I am also from Quilpie but am now living in London. I can confirm the spitfire he was flying when he went missing 30 July 1942 was indeed AA800. From memory it was a Mk IV converted from a Mk 5 and had about 150 hours on it. I wrote into Flight Magazine a few years ago trying to uncover a little bit about his loss. They said he flew from Wick on a mission to Bergen to photograph flak installations and never returned. That evening about right on the limit of his endurance (from what I calculated based on the Mk IV fuel capacity and gal/hr at cruise) a plane was seen on radar (identified as enemy) over the Orkneys. A flight of spitfires were despatched to intercept but no visual was made and the plane disappeared. The weather had turned quite bad by the time Tully was due to return. A few hours after his scheduled return a Hudson search plane was launched however the weather continued to deteriorate and the search was abandoned after a short time. The weather remained bad for two more days after which no more searches were launched believing they would be pointless. I have a few questions... 1.) Did PRU Spitfires carry IFO equipment around that time and how reliable was it? 2.) Did they also carry a radio and if so is it reasonable to expect Tully, flying in bad weather to use his radio to get a fix bearing to Wick? 3.) How likely would it have been that Tully was observed either visually or on radar while over Bergen? From my research there is no proof that he even made it there. Where would I be able to find these records if they existed? 4.) Where could I find Luftwaffe combat claims for the Bergen area for July 1942? 5.) The Orkneys would have been a considerable distance from German aerodromes... the only planes that I can think of in 1942 that would have had the range are the Ju88 or maybe a long range Me110... are there any others that could have been snooping around there at such great a distance? Any help, advice or information on any of the above would be most appreciated. Please feel free to email me if you wish. Thanks ....Read More.jtully on 8th January 2010 07:02:01
F/L Haydn Jones 1 PRU 30.07.42Hi, I would like to start this on a new thread however I cannot for the life of me work out how to do that! I am chasing some information for a claim by 3/I/JG5 on a Spitfire over Bergen 31 July 1942. Can anyone add anymore information to what I have below? In particular, notes of engagement, aircraft involved, name of pilot. Date Pilot No. Start Unit Abschusse Time Area Remarks 31.07.1942 ? ? 4N-Herdla I./JG5 3 Spitfire 16:20 Bergen 7000m ? I./JG5=63 I found this on a website created by Knut Larsson. http://www.rafandluftwaffe.info/luftwaffe2.html No 1 PRU shows there were no spitfire sorties over Bergen on 31 July 1942 however there were 2x on 30 July 1942 and one (JL Tully AA800) is and MIA case and fits the above brief very well. Any information on this would be most appreciated Thanks ....Read More.jtully on 1st March 2010 08:35:08
Spitfire AA800 F/O JL Tully MIA 30 July 1942Hi, I have just worked out how to start a new thread so apologies for posting this on a seperate thread as well! I am chasing information for a claim by 3/I/JG5 on a Spitfire over Bergen 31 July 1942. Can anyone add anymore information to what I have below? In particular, notes of engagement, aircraft involved, name of pilot. I have conflicting information on when 3/I/JG5 was re-equipped with the Fw 190 A... a luftwaffe information site says June 1942 while another site by Norwegian researcher knut Larson says August 1942. Details of claim by 3/I/JG5: Date Pilot No. Start Unit Abschusse Time Area Remarks 31.07.1942 ? ? 4N-Herdla I./JG5 3 Spitfire 16:20 Bergen 7000m ? I./JG5=63 I found the above claim on a website also created by Knut Larsson. http://www.rafandluftwaffe.info/luftwaffe2.html No 1 PRU shows there were no spitfire sorties over Bergen on 31 July 1942 however there were 2x on 30 July 1942 one of which is JL Tully AA800, the MIA case and fits the above brief very well. Any information on this would be most appreciated. Thanks ....Read More.jtully on 1st March 2010 08:43:38
Coastal Command July 1942COASTAL COMMAND July 1942 1/. - Hampden I - 415 Sqn - AT235. 1/. - Hampden I - 415 Sqn - AT239. 3/. - Beaufort I - 217 Sqn - L9893. 3/. - Beaufort I - 217 Sqn - DD993. 3/. - Beaufort I - 22 Sqn - AW240. 4/. - Hudson III - 1404(Met) Flt - V9111. 5/. - Hudson II - 1(C)OTU - T9372. 8/. - Hudson - 1(C) OTU - N7277. 9/10. - Beaufort IIa - 5(C) OTU - DD874. 11/. - Battle I - 1(C) OTU - L5717. 11/. - Hudson I - 1(C) OTU - T9353. 11/. - Beaufighter VIc - 248 Sqn - T5142. 12/. - Mosquito PR.1 - 1 PRU - W4089. 12/. - Blenheim IV - 2(C) OTU - T1810. 12/. - Hampden TB.I - 489 Sqn - AT131. 13/. - Blenheim IV - 404 Sqn - K7120. 15/. - Wellington Ic - 3(C) OTU - W5619 ? 15/. - Hudson IIIa - 48 Sqn - FH378. 15/. - Catalina I - 119 Sqn - AH545. 16/. - Hampden TB.I - 455 Sqn RAAF - P2145 17/. - Beaufort I - 5(C) OTU - N1003. 18/. - Spitfire IV - 1PRU - BP921 19/. - Hampden I - 5(C)OTU - P2100. 20/. - Wellington Ic - 7(C) OTU - DV772. 20/. - Botha - 3 SGR - W5142. 21/. - Blenheim IV - 2(C)OTU - Z5723. 21/. - Beaufighter Ic - 235 Sqn - T4794. 21/. - Beaufighter VIc - 248 Sqn - X8090. 21/. - Hudson V - 608 Sqn - AM791. 21/. - Hudson III - 1404(Met) Flt - T9460. 22/. - Hampden I - 489 Sqn - P1219. 24/. - Hampden I - 5(C) OTU - P5313. 24/. - Beaufort IIa - 86 Sqn - AW308. 24/. - Beaufort IIa - 86 Sqn - AW355. 24/. - Beaufort IIa - 86 Sqn - AW356. 25/. - Beaufort IIa - 86 Sqn - AW274. 26/. - Sunderland I - 230 Sqn - L5806. 26/. - Beaufort I - 5(C)OTU - W6480. 26/. - Mosquito IV - 1401(Met) Flt - DK289. 27/. - Beaufighter VIC - 2(C)OTU - T5160 27/. - Mosquito PR.IV - 1(C) OTU - W4067. 28/. - Beaufort II - 86 Sqn - AW296. 28/. - Hudson V - 206 Sqn - AM805. 28/. - Beaufort I - 217 Sqn - L9820. 30/. - Spitfire PR.IV - 1PRU - AA800. 30/. - Spitfire IV - 1PRU - AB301. 30/. - Whitley VII - 502 Sqn - Z9192. 30/. - Hudson V - 407 Sqn - AM-860. 31/. - Hampden I - 415 Sqn - AD762. 31/. - Sunderland - 10Sqn RAAF - W3994. 31/. - Sunderland III - 201P2145.W4025. 31/. - Hudson III - 500 Sqn - FH375. ....Read More.Alex Smart on 24th August 2018 07:27:42


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