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c/n 2; accepted 8.41 and by 4.9.41 undergoing acceptance tests (replacing AL503) at San Diego by Wing Co Griffith RAF; TOC Dorval 29.4.42; Ferry Command Comn Sqn by 15.5.42, named Commando; flew Lord Louis Mountbatten to UK 6.42; used by Churchill for flights to Moscow (8.42) and Casablanca/Turkey (1/2.43); flown Dorval - Kansas City - Tucson 26-29.8.43 and there modified with lengthened fuselage & single fin; dep Tucson Mod Centre 25.4.44 for San Diego; Dorval 29.4.44; dep Dorval 4.5.44 for UK; to 45 Gp Comm Sqn [1] 5.44; numerous VIP long distance flights; 231 Sqn 8.9.44; lost between Northolt and Lagens, 27.3.45. More information in: The Liberator in RAF and Commonwealth Service by James D. Oughton , John F. Hamlin, Andrew Thomas

Incidents/Accidents

DateAircraftUnitPilot NameLocation
27 Mar 45 Liberator II AL504 45 Grp CS Sea
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Casualties in the CWGC Register for Liberator II AL504

Rank Name, Number, Trade & Details DateUnit Country Cemetery/Memorial & Loc Ref
Flight ClerkVictor Ian Claude James BANNISTER () Flight Engi Liberator II AL504  Ext Link 1945-03-2745 Gp CS CanadaOttawa Memorial
Wing CommanderWilliam Hugh BIDDELL (37376) Liberator II AL504  Forum Post 1945-03-2745 Gp CS United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
Flight LieutenantAubrey Norman BRODIE (170642) Liberator II AL504  Forum Post 1945-03-2745 Gp CS United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
Flight LieutenantDavid BUCHANAN (J/11854) Liberator II AL504  Ext Link 1945-03-2745 Gp CanadaOttawa Memorial
Air MarshalSir Peter Roy Maxwell DRUMMOND (20124) Liberator II AL504  Forum Post 1945-03-2745 Gp CS United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
Squadron LeaderElisha Gaddis PLUM (79965) Liberator II AL504  Forum Post 1945-03-2745 Gp CS United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
Flight LieutenantKenneth George SHEA (408707) Liberator II AL504  More Details 1945-03-27 United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
Pilot OfficerDouglas James SPENCE (C/52864) Liberator II AL504  Ext Link 1945-03-2745 Gp CanadaOttawa Memorial
Radio OfficerFrederick Walter WILLIAMS () Liberator II AL504  More Details 1945-03-27 CanadaOttawa Memorial

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S/Ldr John BOWIE 76307Checked Carl Christie's [I]Ocean Bridge[/I] and surprisingly it only mentions Liberator AL504 [I]Commando [/I] with Vanderkloot as pilot for the Moscow trip with Sir Alan Brooke departing the UK in the same aircraft. I don't know if S/L Llewellyn was assigned to Ferry Command at the time, as Vanderkloot was, but I've asked DHH for a copy of his aircrew assignment cards if they exist. I have Vanderkloot's cards. Newsreel film of the visit to Moscow here that includes [I]Commando [/I]and a USAAF Liberator that presumably brought Averell Harriman: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zfbMZKMna0[/url]. Robert ....Read More.robstitt on 20th November 2018 08:10:17
G/C Leonard Cheshire - LogbookHello, Trying to clarify a few things for a 99-year-old veteran and former navigator with RAF Ferry Command. He also commanded the RAF staging post at Fiji late in the war. He has a vague recollection, maybe late 45 or early 46, of being ordered to close the staging post. His subsequent orders were to take over navigation duties on an aircraft arriving at Fiji from Sydney, Australia, and bound for the US and Canada with VIPs. The pilot of this aircraft, he recalls, was G/C Cheshire. He seems to think that this aircraft was Liberator AL504, which was used to transport VIPs, however, AL504 was lost in March 1945, so it doesn't fit the timeline. Would any Cheshire experts have knowledge of a flight from Fiji with Cheshire at the controls? Or did Cheshire fly AL504 at some point before it was lost in March 45? I know Cheshire's logbook entries for July-Sept 45 are available online, as he flew to the Pacific to observe the bombing of Nagasaki, but there is nothing for that period to indicate that he landed at Fiji. I also have this man's Ferry Command crew assignment card, but, as with all such cards in my possession, it appears that Ferry Command gave up entering info on these cards late in 1944. Thanks to all, Darrell ....Read More.2083x on 3rd March 2022 02:54:11
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F/L William Sydney LONGHURST - Ferry Command - AFC - Atlantic glider crossingHugh, The Liberator (FW670), mentioned in your ultimate paragraph, can't be right. FW670 was a Baltimore V. I suspect the Liberator involved might be, EW620 (ex-44-39237). From Bob Livingstone's, Under The Southern Cross - The B-24 Liberator in the South Pacific. "Other Liberator flights which RAF Transport Command operated from Australia were flown in the opposite direction. The first service from Montreal to Sydney was flown by the Senior Air Staff Officer of RAF Transport Command, Air Commodore C. J. Powell*, CBE, in AL504 "COMMANDO" who arrived in Sydney on 5 November 1944. Later that month 231 Squadron, Dorval, Canada, began a thrice-weekly service with C-87s (Liberator C.VIIs) from Sydney to Auckland and thence Fiji-Canton-Honolulu-San Francisco-San Diego. The aircraft were converted from purely passenger carrying to a passenger/freight/mail configuration. This service linked with the Transport Command Dakota service which flew further east to Washington, terminating in Montreal. This then linked with the RAF Atlantic Air Transport Service Liberators through Gander, Prestwick and London. 231 Disbanded 16 January 1946." * Actually, C1227 Air Commodore Griffith James "Taffy" Powell CBE(M). See: Under The Southern Cross - The B-24 Liberator in the South Pacific. Livingstone, Bob. Paducah:Turner Publishing, 1998. p.122. 24 Liberators C.VII serialled EW611 to EW634. EW620 ex-44-39237; dld Dorval 29.7.44; in service with 45 Group FCCS (231 Sqn) by 22.8.44 until early 1945; allocated to Australia 20.4.45; 243 Sqn 9.8.45;1315 Flt 21.6.45 (radio c/s VMYCK); 232 Sqn (M) "Spirit of London" 10.1.46; SOC 28.11.46. See: The Liberator in Royal Air Force and Commonwealth Service. Oughton, James D with John Hamlin and Andrew Thomas. Tonbridge:Air-Britain (Historians),2007. pp.175-6 Col. ....Read More.COL BRUGGY on 24th September 2022 05:58:38


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