|Liberator serial BZ978||The 30 code tells us it is a B Mk.VI, GR Mk.VIs being coded 29. The recent (superb) Air Britain book sadly does not have a full listing of these Modification Centre numbers, but does say that they do not follow the serials. The GR Mk.VI MCns were recorded: 29-13 is known to be BZ979, and at least the early ones do seem to be in a matching sequence. The 13th B Mk.VI serial was BZ989, but the 4th crashed in the USA before delivery - whether this was before or after going through the Mod Centre is not stated! So the 14th was BZ990 - but this was delivered to Dorval the day before BZ989, so maybe BZ989 was the 13th after all? The next B Mk.VI serial was BZ991, delivered to Dorval the same day as BZ989, EV812 and EV815. Unfortunately, although the earlier BZxxx aircraft staged through Dorval in a reasonable sequence by serial, we have BZ996 and BZ998 going through 16 days before BZ990 - so either of these could be 30-13.
The RAF serial does go with the USAAF serial, so that's no help.
I think that's the best this source will provide: it does give EW126 as 30-155. ....Read More.||Graham Boak on 30th June 2008 04:07:48|
|Liberator serial BZ978||My source is the recent Air Britain "The Liberator in RAF and Commonwealth Service" by James Oughton, John Hamblin and Andrew Thomas. It gives a complete (as far as is known) individual history of all such aircraft. A must-buy for all B-24 enthusiasts. I only needed to look at a few pages.... but some queries just light up the curiosity. However, I repeat that it does specifically state that the sequence of MCns did not always align with the serials.
B.VIs would not wear Coastal Command camouflage - those were GR Mk.VIs.
If the photo was taken in the Azores, that was not BZ989, because she was delivered via Prestwick.
BZ988 Dorval - Sydney 22.12.43, Sydney - Gander 25.12.43, Gander - Lagens 27.12.43 via Azores (isn't Lagens the capital of the Azores?),Lagens - Rabat Sale 28.12.43.
BZ990, dld Dorval 28.11.43; via Azores, arr Karachi 12.12.43
BZ992 ditto, arr Karachi 17.12.43
BZ993 dld Dorval 2.12.43, Via Azores to ME arr Cairo 12.5.44
BZ996 via Prestwick
BZ997 dld Dorval 1.12.43, via Lagens, arr Karachi 16.12.43
BZ998 via Prestwick
Others in the same period via Lagens: EV812, 815 28.11.43; 813 16.12; 814 1.12; 817 5.12 and so on.
Alex: does EW126 fit in this sequence? EW229 was 30-245, EW157 was 30-186, EW113 was 30-142, KG920 was 30-334, 922 was 336, 923 was 337, 924 was 338. 967 was 358, KH166 was 410, 283 was 477, That's all I can find.
Later B Mk.VIs were in the 43-xxx sequence, and they were definitely not linked to serials. Sequential RAF serials from KL481 are 43 -60,35,48,39,33,51..... That these were Lend-Lease aircraft may be relevant.
Annoyingly, it seems that all the OD-painted aircraft seem to have retained the 30-xxx number in service, there are some tantalising photos with MCns partially visible, or just unclear. ....Read More.||Graham Boak on 1st July 2008 04:56:01|
|W/O F Hadcroft, PoW||Kevin,
Found this ellsewhere on the internet, may be your man:
According to Gary,s history on 178 Sqdn 3 Liberators were lost 19/20 March 1944. I found reference to two of those A/C namely BZ948 and EV812 both listed as lost on 19 March but no mention of a third aircraft. Does anyone have the names of the crews of these 3 aircraft.
This is related to F/Sgt Waller in a previous post.
Re BZ948. Details from Air Historical Branch RAF, MI5 Evader Report for W/O Carter D. C. and personal research. Crew were Blake S.K. (Pilot), Lieut Lugg E.D. (Pilot), Sgt Hadcroft F. (Air Gunner), W/O Kent W.M.(Air Gunner), F/Sgt Turner D.M. (Air Gunner), Sgt Hooton C. (Flight Engineer), W/O Carter D.C. (Nav/W/O Cunningham T. (Wireless Operator/Air Gunner).
Crew bailed out over Albania on return from raid over Plovdiv, Bulgaria after two engines failed due fuel exhaustion.
Carter and Cunningham evaded and finally left Albania with members of the British Military Mission on 22 May 44. Turner was shot whilst apparently trying to escape and is buried in the Tirana Park Cemetery, Albania. Remainder of the crew captured and became POWs.
Martyn ....Read More.||Martyn A Critchlow on 26th March 2013 05:06:49|
|178 Sqn Losses.||Hello,
Have just received a copy of " Bombers over Sand and Snow"
On page 351 there is a list of a/c losses for the squadron.
"1943 - Halifax - 1 ; Liberators - 5.
1944 - Liberators - 27.
1945 - Liberators - 4".
Were these the a/c lost ?
Confirmation, corrections and additions welcome.
I have seen that there are several earlier posts that reference 178 Sqn in this forum but thought to put all lost a/c in the one post.
Halifax II - BB414 - 04/09/43.
Liberator - AL565 - 27/04/43 ; AL620 - 16/01/43 ; AL638 - 05/03/43 ; BZ891 - 19/11/43. THE 5th escapes me.
Liberator - AL630 - 27/04/44 ; BZ930 - 07/07/44 ; BZ932"Y" - 08/05/44 ; BZ948 - 19/03/44 ; EV812 - 19/03/44 ;
EV822 - 07/07/44 ; EV839"J" - 22/08/44 ; EV841"H" - 07/05/44 ; EV961 - 14/08/44 ; EV974"D" - 10/08/44 ;
EW106 - 11/10/44 ; EW140"K" - 11/05/44 ; EW160"E" - 28/08/44 ; EW264 - 15/08/44 ; EW275 - 15/08/44 ;
EW277 - 14/06/44 ; EW280 - 14/10/44 ; KG828"F" - 15/08/44 ; KG873 - 15/08/44 ; KG887 - 08/08/44;
KG933 - 17/08/44 ; KG934 - 13/09/44 ; KG938"A" - 21/08/44 ; KG942 - 05/10/44 ; KH100 - 06/11/44 ;
KH243 - 06/11/44. THE 27th a/c escapes me ?
Liberator - EW142 - 26/01/45 ; KG928 - 08/01/45 ; KH209 - 23/03/45 ; ( KH248 - 01/06/45 ; KL485 - 12/07/45 ?) or 2 other a/c ?
Alex ....Read More.||Alex Smart on 1st May 2018 11:31:41|