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AIR81/17Sergeant R E Herd: report of death. Wing Commander J C Cunningham, Sergeant A E C Povey, Sergeant N M Kirkus, Sergeant H H Turner, Aircraftman 1st Class J Anthony, Sergeant W H Stephens, Sergeant C B Sproston, Aircraftman 1st Class A Wilson, Flying Officer N C Beck, Flying Officer R Turner, Flying Officer J T B Sadler, Flight Sergeant S Williams, Acting Sergeant C G Williams, Aircraftman 2nd Class S Isherwood and Aircraftman 1st Class J W Cumming: missing presumed dead. Aircraftman 1st Class H Liggett, Pilot Officer R D Baughan, Pilot Officer R M Coste and Sergeant R L Galloway: prisoner of war; Hampdens L4127, L4121, L4134, L4126 and L4132 shot down, 30 September 1939.C14141996
AIR81/76Pilot Officer P F Dingwall and Sergeant W K Lodge: uninjured. Leading Aircraftman T Gibbin: missing presumed drowned; Hampden L4090 attacked by allied aircraft, 21 December 1939. Note: With mapC14141877
AIR81/84Flying Officer R D Baughan: prisoner of war. Sergeant N M Kirkus, Sergeant H H Turner and Aircraftman 1st Class J Anthony: report of death; Hampden L4126 shot down and crashed into the sea off St Peter, near Tonning, Holstein, 29 September 1939.C14141906
AIR81/85Flight Lieutenant R M Coste: prisoner of war. Flight Sergeant S Williams, Acting Sergeant C G Williams and Aircraftman 2nd Class S Isherwood: report of deaths; Hampden L4132 shot down over the North Sea, 29 September 1939. Note: With photographsC14141907
AIR81/86Pilot Officer R Turner, Flying Officer N C Beck, Sergeant P E B Sproston and Aircraftman 1st Class A Wilson: report of deaths; Hampden L4127 shot down near Heligoland, 29 September 1939. Note: With photographsC14141908

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Rank Name, Number, Trade & Details DateUnit Country Cemetary/Memorial & Loc Ref
SergeantRichard Alfred Palmer Vincent ATKINSON (1006920) Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-12-13144 Sqdn AIR27 United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
SergeantBrian Wentworth BUCKNELL (402768) Hampden  Ext Link 1941-11-2714 OTU United KingdomCottesmore (St. Nicholas) Chur
SergeantAlec John George BULL (1254040) Hampden  AIR81/8485 1941-08-1425 OTU United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
Pilot OfficerJohn Humphrey (Bud) DUNN (J/15859) Wireless Op./Air Gunner Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-12-11144 Sqdn AIR27 United KingdomLittlehampton Cemetery
Pilot OfficerDesmond Charles FIRTH (62265) Pilot Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-11-08106 Sqdn AIR27 NorwayOslo Western Civil Cemetery
SergeantCharles Edward GAILEY (958561) Wireless Op./Air Gunner Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-12-11144 Sqdn AIR27 Ireland, Republic ofMount Jerome Cemetery
SergeantNorman Joffre GRIFFITHS (922776) Wireless Op./Air Gunner Hampden   1941-11-2714 OTU United KingdomCottesmore (St. Nicholas) Chur
SergeantWalter KING (1104414) Observer Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-11-08106 Sqdn AIR27 NorwayOslo Western Civil Cemetery
Flying OfficerArthur John Benning MONK (J/4692) Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-12-11144 Sqdn AIR27 United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
Pilot OfficerDavid McLAREN (115139) Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-12-13144 Sqdn AIR27 United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
Pilot OfficerChristopher Bradley PAYNE (103572) Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-12-11144 Sqdn AIR27 United KingdomBrookwood Military Cemetery
SergeantThomas John PEARCE (932162) Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-12-13144 Sqdn AIR27 United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
SergeantRonald John PULHAM (1256360) Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-12-13144 Sqdn AIR27 United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
Aircraftman 2nd ClassTerence ROBINSON (1112906) Hampden  AIR81/8485 1941-08-1425 OTU United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
Pilot OfficerArchibald Locksley SMILEY (402220) Observer Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-12-11144 Sqdn AIR27 United KingdomLittlehampton Cemetery
SergeantArthur Winston SMITH (1165989) Wireless Op./Air Gunner Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-10-25144 Sqdn AIR27 FranceDunkirk Town Cemetery
SergeantFred Chadwick STEPHENSON (R/64431) Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-10-24144 Sqdn AIR27 United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
SergeantAlfred Harry TAYLOR (1168359) Hampden  NA/PRO 1941-12-13144 Sqdn AIR27 United KingdomRunnymede Memorial
SergeantJohn Adney TULLEY (778476) Observer Hampden   1941-11-2714 OTU United KingdomCottesmore (St. Nicholas) Chur
SergeantWalter Kenneth WILLCOX (1110530) Hampden  AIR81/8485 1941-08-1425 OTU United KingdomRunnymede Memorial


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408 (RCAF) Squadron, 27/3/1942Hi Glyn Bentley was a member of the crew of Hampden L4140,EQ-B Bar that was lost without trace whilst minelaying in the Estuaries of the Jade and Weser rivers. 408 Sqn lost 3 a/c that night on the same task and it is possible that 2 were shot down by Hptm Helmut Lent who claimed 2 a/c that night. A third was claimed by Ofr Siegfried Ney who was himself killed that night.(Chorley Bomber Command Losses Vol 3) Regards Dick ....Read More.Dick on 20th November 2007 05:21:33
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'Heston' call signHi Russ, I can't be the only one who's been scratching his/her head over your puzzle. Can't find out any particular significance of Heston in WW2 from the Comms angle. Wasn't it just a RAF fighter station? I presume the Hampden carried an R/O, and that "calling" would be a reference to W/T rather than R/T? Where did the A/C crash, eventually? I wonder if there are any WW2 R/Os on this forum. The only ones I knew personally are now dead, I regret to say. The quote you provide - "...calling ... for callsigns" - doesn't make sense to me. Not when out of context, anyway. Well, at least this gets your post to the top of the pile... Good luck, Chris ....Read More.Chris Scott on 25th November 2007 08:13:35
'Heston' call signHi Russ Your mystery deepens a little as Chorley reports this loss on the 6/7 Apr 40 as being from a patrol (no target specified) when the a/c ran out of fuel and was abandonned at 0415 over Whitley Bay with the Hampden as "crashed into the sea in the vicinity of St. Mary's Lighthouse". The bodies of the pilot P/O W Roberts, the Observer P/O K Brooke-Taylor, and one of the W/op-AGs Sgt A McNicol, were recovered and are buried in UK but the body of the other W/op-AG LAC D W Sharpe clearly wasn't and he is on the Runnymede Memorial. There is no mention of W/T Communication and it would be interesting to know how anyone knew that Sharpe was unable to communicate if they all died, unless 1 was found living but died of injuries later and reported it.Like Chris I haven't heard of Heston in connection with Radio Comms but given the Frequencies in use and the vagaries of Wireless propagation on those Frequencies it can't be ruled out. Post war in the 50's and 60's the RAF had long range comms at both Uxbridge and Gloucester among other places to provide world-wide communication. Regards Dick ....Read More.Dick on 25th November 2007 02:42:16
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Leading Aircraftman Allan Richardson 489 SquadronHi Peter, Hampden I, L4037 Suffered an engine fire during an air test and crashed into the sea off Staxigeo, near Wick at 12:00 hrs. Sgt Wrench, of Port Augusta, South Australia and his crew are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial. Regards Ross ....Read More.Ross_McNeill on 29th November 2007 03:49:37
DFC citation for A.S.M. PIM, pilot, 408 SqdnDoes anyone have the wording of the DFC citation for 60566 Anthony Stanley Mortimer PIM? His daughter, who was only 18 months old when he died as a S/Ldr in the Far East in 1945, seeks this information. She said that his main operational squadron had been 408 in Bomber Command, where he flew Hampdens. Also, I have not searched the web yet, but does anyone know if 408 Squadron has an active veterans association? If not, who from 408 is a good point of contact? The daughter seeks contact with anyone who knew her father (knowing that she has left things a bit late!). S/Ldr Pim died as a 358 Squadron Liberator skipper on the night of 22/23 January 1945. He was a Flight Commander. This was 358's first Special Duties op, but things went terribly wrong when S/Ldr Pim's Liberator (KH277) and two others (KH215 and KH278) failed to return from their assigned Drop Zones in French Indo China. Of the eleven Libs sent out to FIC that night, only two were successful in finding their DZs in horrible weather. It turns out that at least two of the three missing aircraft were shot down by USAAF P-61 night fighters. A coverup was ordered at the highest level, and the facts were indeed kept under wraps until USAF Col Peter M. Dunn broke the story in the mid-1980s while researching his doctoral thesis (which later grew into a book, "The First Vietnam War"). He claimed that the Libs were targeted on purpose because of the serious political differences between the US and the UK over post-war FIC, but I have seen no evidence to support this premeditated action. The National Archives at Kew have since released some documents which verify, in general, that at least two of the three Libs were downed by P-61s, and that there was an official coverup. We have yet to learn if S/Ldr Pim's KH277 was a victim of friendly fire, or if weather or another problem was a major factor. Thanks for any help. Matt ....Read More.Matt Poole on 7th December 2007 11:31:56
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RAF officer deaths 12.11.18-31.12.28The following is a list in chronological order of all (955) OFFICER deaths for the above period as recorded in the monthly RAF Air Force Lists. The recording of these in the AFL ceased upon outbreak of WWII. Errol By Rank, Surname, Initials, First Names, Awards, Force/Other, Fate, Date died 2nd Lt Whittall G Killed 12 Nov 18 Lt Pugh J E John Edwin Death accepted 12 Nov 18 Lt Kemp F H Of natural causes 12 Nov 18 2nd Lt Fawcett F Killed 12 Nov 18 Lt Owen T J Of natural causes 13 Nov 18 2nd Lt Booth L H Of wounds 13 Nov 18 2nd Lt Wilson J M Killed 13 Nov 18 Capt Armstrong D U V D Urlan Victor Killed 13 Nov 18 Capt Symondson F V Killed 13 Nov 18 Capt Abell E C Edwin Claude Killed 14 Nov 18 2nd Lt Aldrich L E Leo Edwin Of wounds 14 Nov 18 Lt Morrison E A Of natural causes 14 Nov 18 Lt Mees I R Killed 14 Nov 18 Lt Swann L K Of wounds 14 Nov 18 2nd Lt Lenihen J H Killed 14 Nov 18 Lt Haynes E B E B Of natural causes 14 Nov 18 Lt Poole H Of natural causes 15 Nov 18 Lt Poole H R Of natural causes 15 Nov 18 2nd Lt Faulkard W L Killed 15 Nov 18 2nd Lt Wreathall R S Killed 15 Nov 18 Capt Brutey H R Of natural causes 16 Nov 18 Capt Bramham E S Of natural causes 16 Nov 18 2nd Lt Manders A Killed 16 Nov 18 2nd Lt Salton W K Killed 17 Nov 18 2nd Lt Proctor L H Killed 17 Nov 18 Capt Woollett J C Of natural causes 17 Nov 18 2nd Lt Parfitt B N Of natural causes 17 Nov 18 2nd Lt Proctor L H Killed 17 Nov 18 2nd Lt Woollett J C Of natural causes 17 Nov 18 2nd Lt Collins C F Of natural causes 17 Nov 18 Lt Scarr G C Killed 18 Nov 18 Lt Paull C W T Of natural causes 18 Nov 18 Lt Wodehouse C E Killed 18 Nov 18 2nd Lt Allen R F Raymond Francis Killed 18 Nov 18 Capt Russell H T F MC Killed 18 Nov 18 Capt Ashton F W Frederick William Of natural causes 18 Nov 18 2nd Lt Garside J Killed 18 Nov 18 2nd Lt Little R K Killed 18 Nov 18 Lt Bradburn F J Of natural causes 19 Nov 18 Capt Humble-Crofts A M Of natural causes 19 Nov 18 Lt Creese A R Of natural causes 19 Nov 18 Capt Hoolgson F H Killed 19 Nov 18 Lt Hughes W Killed 19 Nov 18 Lt Bathurst A G N Alfred George Norman Killed 20 Nov 18 Capt Crummey F C Of natural causes 20 Nov 18 2nd Lt McNay F H Of natural causes 20 Nov 18 Lt Hanna W N Killed 20 Nov 18 Lt Ellis T A Of natural causes 20 Nov 18 Lt Col Jenkins L DSO MC Of natural causes 20 Nov 18 2nd Lt Speake T G Killed 20 Nov 18 Lt Rigby N Of natural causes 20 Nov 18 Lt Wright W William Of natural causes 20 Nov 18 Prob Flt Off McElhinney A M Killed 21 Nov 18 2nd Lt Sexton E Z Killed 21 Nov 18 Capt Horridge J L Killed 21 Nov 18 Lt Caple L N Killed 21 Nov 18 Lt Wilkinson C Of natural causes 21 Nov 18 Lt Kirton R E Killed 21 Nov 18 Lt Pickering G Of natural causes 21 Nov 18 Capt Edwards S T Of wounds 22 Nov 18 Lt Evans P L Killed 22 Nov 18 Lt Ba ....Read More.Errol Martyn on 10th December 2007 05:27:39
Lancaster questions.Guys, One detail which has not been commented on in this thread was the presence of an automatic pilot in all RAF "heavies" in Bomber Command (as well as in Coastal, Transport, etc). "George" was, I am certain, a "normal" feature in all larger RAF aircraft by the outbreak of WW2, although I am not so certain as to the exact date of introduction, nor whether "George" was fitted in aircraft down to Blenheim and Hampden size or not. Automatic pilots were developed in the UK and particularly in the USA as a pilot's aid during the 1930s, most particuarly for commercial aviation, and the best known brands were Sperry and Jack & Heintz in the USA (plus one other which fo the life of me I cannot remember the name of!) Sperry also manufactured them in the UK, and J&H autopilots were manufactured under licence in Japan throughout WW2 for fitment to all heavy Japanese aircraft. No doubt the Germans were also up with the play as well, also probably the Russians, Italians, etc. I have only piped up here on this subject because of Bert Harris's insistence that Bomber Command aircraft should all be equipped with an autopilot, when I always thought they had them all the time! Probably Bert knew more about this at the time he made this comment than I do; was manufacture of such devices falling behind the rate of production of new aircraft perhaps? David D ....Read More.David Duxbury on 13th December 2007 02:48:22
W/C Hugh H. Miller (43041) RAF / RNZAFLeendert, thanks, yes, Im aware of the website you link to - its my own ! Im current rewriting many of these pages and the error I made has just come to light through correspondance with one of the correct HHJ Millers family. The chap who became W/C Miller is the correct chap, the RCAF gent I show his photo and Runnymede entry on my website is the incorrect chap and Im about to delete this from my website. Eddie and Errol, many thanks. I believed that Id made an error in the actual name of the pilot of T4138 linking HHJ Miller to the aircraft, but now having looked into the crew; the HHJ Miller I'd assumed him to be was an Obs/Nav killed in early 1942 in a Hampden. Correspondance with the family of the airman killed in the crash of T4138 revealed some letters they gained from the MoD stating the pilots service number of 43041 which highlighted my error. Hubert Harvey Miller (J/4697) RCAF being the incorrect airmans ID. Both officers but with different service numbers. It appears that there were two HHJ Millers, one a new Zealander, and one a Canadian, the Canadian being killed in the Hampden incident in 1942. The New Zealander I learn is still living. Errol, thanks for sending the biog on him, its very interesting. And whilst Ive got you! Any chance of resending details of how to get your series of books please. How does sending money and postage with you and the UK work ? Thanks all, much appreciated. Rich Allenby. ....Read More.Rich Allenby on 16th December 2007 12:56:59
Full List of Flying Training Schools in Canada[QUOTE=Bill Walker;1519]The list at www.bombercrew seems the most complete, although it only mentions the principal aircraft types, and omits many of the minor types (for example, No. 31 SFTS had an RDF training flight with Ansons, replaced the Battles with Lysanders by 1943, and also had one Walrus and one Tigerschmidt on strength for a long time). It also misses the OTUs, that were under the operational commands for admin, but under the JATP/BCATP for training standards. The RN schools,and a number of trades schools, are also missing. Here is a list of what I think is missing, I would love to hear from anyone who could add to it. No. 1 OTU Bagotville, Que. Harvard, Lysander, Hurricane, Bolingbroke No. 3 OTU Patricia Bay, B.C. Stranraer, Canso, Lysander No. 5 OTU Boundary Bay and Abbotsford, BC Liberator, Bolingbroke, Mitchell, Kittyhawk No. 31 (later No. 7) OTU Debert, N.S. Hudson, Bolingbroke No. 32 (later No. 6 OTU) Patricia Bay, Comox, B.C., Greenwood, NS Anson, Beaufort, Hampden, Oxford, Lysander, Dakota, Expeditor No. 34 OTU Pennfield Ridge, N.B. Bolingbroke, Anson, Hudson, Ventura No. 36 (later No. 8) OTU Greenwood, N.S. Bolingbroke, Harvard, Hudson, Mosquito, Oxford No. 1 General Reconnaisance School Summerside, P.E.I. Anson No. 31 GRS Charlottetown, P.E.I. Anson No 1 Naval Air Gunners Schools (NAGS) Yarmouth, N.S. Swordfish, Seamew, Anson, Lysander, Walrus, Hurricane No. 1 Flying Instructors School Trenton, Ont. Fawn, Finch, Tiger Moth, Harvard, Cornell, Crane, Anson, etc. No. 2 FIS Vulcan, then Pearce, Alta. Crane, Anson, Cornell, Fawn, Finch, Harvard, Oxford, Tiger Moth No. 3 FIS Arnprior, Ont. Anson, Cornell, Finch, Crane, Fawn, Harvard, Stearman, Tiger Moth Central Flying School, Trenton Anson, Battle, Bolingbroke, Fawn, Cornell, Crane, Finch, Harvard, Hudson, Hurricane, Oxford, Ventura, Lockheed 10 Instrument Flying School Deseronto, Ont. Oxford, Cornell And finally the trades schools that probably never operated aircraft: No. 1 RDF School, Leaside, Ont. No. 31 (later No. 5) RDF School, Clinton, Ont. (The existance of the RDF schools was a secret during the war, and the details of their activities were largely secret until about 10 years ago.) Air Armament School, MountainView, Ont. AID Inspector School, Malton, Ont. No. 1 Composite Training School, Trenton, Ont. No. 2 Composite Training School, Toronto, Ont. (These schools seemed to be special training schools for problem students or students who got thrown out of the regular process for health or other reasons, and used Harvards, Ansons, and maybe other types) School of Aeronautical Engineering, Montreal, Que. School of Aviation Medicine, Toronto, Ont. School of Cookery, Guelph, Ont. In addition, several operation units were hosts to training flights, including several fighter squadrons that had Army Co-operation flights and RDF training flights. There may have been a glider school, and ther ....Read More.mz589 on 18th December 2007 08:56:32
400620 - Unaccounted airmen - 20-6-1940What caused the death of: Sgt Frederick L. ANDERSON - 743074 - missing believed killed on active service (Flight Global), commemorated on Panel 11 of the Runnymede Memorial, and Sgt (Obs) William F.G. HOLLISTER - 561153 - 144 Sqn (Hampden, Hemswell, Lincolnshire) - died of wounds or injuries received in action (Flight Global), buried Sandown Shanklin (Shanklin) Cem., Isle of Wight (UK4986). Regards and thanks for your help. Henk. ....Read More.Henk Welting on 2nd January 2008 11:49:32
400620 - Unaccounted airmen - 20-6-1940Hi Henk, Here are two possibles; Sgt Anderson...... May have been on board Fairey Battle K9420, of 12 OTU, Benson, which ditched off Seaton, Devon. Sgt Hollister....... The nearest to the 20th is Hampden P1164, 144 Sqn, which overshot base, on return from ops, 11th June 1940, and went through a boundary hedge. Doug. ....Read More.Doug Cuthbertson on 2nd January 2008 01:32:43
3 Hampden Losses of 415 Sqn 1942Hello, I'm trying to find more informations about the following losses of the 415 Sqn: 27 Jun 1942 415 Sqn Coastal Command Handley Page Hampden GX- Op: W/O J McCallum RCAF +, 7.F.12 F/S R M Neil RCAF +, 4.B.20 F/S L H Latimer RCAF +, 7.D.5 W/O McCallum and F/S Latimer rest in Sage War Cemetery. F/S Neil rests in Kiel War Cemetery. 28 Jun 1942 415 Sqn Coastal Command Handley Page Hampden GX- Op: W/O I W Garfin RCAF +, 5.C.13 W/O Garfin rests in Sage War Cemetery. 2 Jul 1942 415 Sqn Coastal Command Handley Page Hampden GX- Op: F/S A K Farnie RCAF +, 13.C.4 F/S T Gibbons RCAF +, 5.A.3 F/S Farnie and F/S Gibbons rest in Sage War Cemetery. Maybe someone can help! regards Steve ....Read More.Mosquito on 2nd January 2008 03:44:09
3 Hampden Losses of 415 Sqn 1942G'day Steve Handley Page Hampden Mk. I s/n P1153 GX-? Pilot- Sgt. J McCallum Observer - Sgt. H.F. Hasleden W.A.G. - Sgt. R.M. Neil W.A.G. - Sgt. L.H. Latimer Handley Page Hampden Mk. I s/n AT245, GX-U Pilot-Sgt. Sgt. I.W. Garfin Observer - Sgt. V.B. Whelpley W.A.G. - Sgt. D. Pearce W.A.G. - Sgt. B.A. Dakin Handley Page Hampden Mk. I s/n AT235, GX-P Pilot - F/O G.G.O. James Observer - Sgt. A.K. Farnie W.A.G. - F/S G.A. Pearce W.A.G. - Sgt. T. Gibbons Cheers...Chris ....Read More.Dakota on 3rd January 2008 12:13:25
3 Hampden Losses of 415 Sqn 1942Steve, THE book on Hampdens is Harry Moyle's 'The Hampden File', pub by Air-Britain 1989. P1153's code letter is given therein as V. The book list all Hampdens (including the 48 written off by 415 Sqn), the units they served with, fates and crews, etc. Errol ....Read More.Errol Martyn on 3rd January 2008 02:23:12
Two Hudson lossesF/S Conway, P/O Sargent and others date of death is listed as 29 May 1942 at CWGC. 415 Squadron was operating Hampdens by then, flying their first Hampden torpedo operation on that very day, claiming one ship damaged in an attack on a convoy at 53-37N 05-45E. Flak was heavy, and AT236 failed to return. My notes show pilot of AT236 as P/O Sargent. ....Read More.Bill Walker on 6th January 2008 08:55:46
Two Hudson lossesHi Steve, TR-S AM842 Hampden GX-R AT236 Regards Ross ....Read More.Ross_McNeill on 6th January 2008 10:55:53
Two Hudson lossesSteve, Holmes has AT236 as 'crashed in sea off Vlieland; cause not known; probably flak. He, too, records Sargent as the pilot. AT236 was the first Hampden torpedo bomber to be lost on ops, he says. Errol ....Read More.Errol Martyn on 6th January 2008 07:26:05
Hampden Crew and serial verificationHi, here I have listed two Hampden losses. I'm not sure if the crews are listed correctly. And the serial of the second Hampden is not clear to me: 17-18 May 1943 415 Sqn Coastal Command Handley Page Hampden L6055 GX-D Op: Anti Shipping F/O K C Wathen RAAF +, 4.D.7 F/S I M Sykes RNZAF +, panel 199 W/O G B Jackson RCAF +, 3.C.7 W/O E J Ramey RCAF +, panel 179 T/o Thorney Islands for an anti-shipping torpedo strike off the Dutch coast. The plane was shot down into the North Sea by ships flak during an attack on a convoy. F/O Wathen and W/O Jackson rest in Kiel War Cemetery. The others are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial. 415 Sqn Coastal Command Handley Page Hampden GX- Op: Anti Shipping F/O L G Burgess +, panel 123 F/O J M Crawford +, panel 123 W/O L E McGee RCAF +, 4A.H.8 Sgt J H Steward +, panel 166 T/o Thorney Islands for an anti-shipping torpedo strike off the Dutch coast. The plane was shot down into the North Sea. W/O McGee is buried in Hamburg Cemetery, Ohlsdorf. The others are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial. Many thanks in advance! regards Steve ....Read More.Mosquito on 8th January 2008 01:29:48
HAMPDEN 49 sqdn crashed on 5/6 april 1942Hi, Does somebody have infos ( pic, n, ... ) about the crew of the HAMPDEN AT156 of the 49 sqdn shot down by Whilhelm HERGET during the night of 5/6 april 1942 on 02.10 AM and crashed in Belgium. The crew was : P/O David Christie KAY DFM Pilot (POW.) Sgt Robert William Burdon BROWN A/OB (Killed and burried at Charleroi cimetery ) Sgt James WADDELL W/AG (Killed and burried at Charleroi cimetery ) Sgt ???? AINGER (EVD) Thanks. ....Read More.ytarg on 11th January 2008 08:54:54
Hampden X2990 83 Squadron lost 26-27/10/1940Hi, well i was telling my Mother about my progress in tracing the crew of BK646 (largely down to responses in this forum). She revealed that her best friends brother died (Kenneth Ernest Young) in 1940 while with 83 squadron. From CWWG and lostbombers I traced it to : Hampden X2990 (Information cut and paste deleted: Ross) Am I correct in assuming that as the aircraft was lost and no crew survived, then little more information is discoverable ? Sadly , they died in 1940 minelaying in the Gironde, the same task which claimed my wifes grandfather in 1943 ....Read More.jives11 on 15th January 2008 01:40:26


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