|410416 - Unaccounted airmen - 16-4-1941||What caused the death of and/or what were the places of death registration for the following airmen killed on active service (while engaged on non-operational flying duties or on the ground through enemy action); it's known that many airmen were killed in an air raid on London and many died of wounds later as the Overseas Victoria League Club in Malet Street they were in, took two direct hits:
Lac (Pilot u/t) Richardson K. DAVIDSON - 1060807;
AC2 William A. JONES - 1356684;
LAC (Pilot u/t) Louis RAPHAEL - 931091, and
LAC (Pilot u/t) Douglas St.J. SHIPWAY-FOWLER - 1166467.
F/Lt Frederick C.G. EDEN - 74387 - killed on active service, and
following airmen whose names couldn't be found in Flight Global archives:
Sgt William R. GOVETT - 570309;
AC1 Kenneth C.G. NICE - 929380;
LAC (Pilot u/t) Thomas C. SHARKEY - 1286069;
AC1 Anthony M. SILVERMAN - 651093;
AC2 Arthur THORPE - 1044549, and
LAC (Pilot u/t) Donald J. WHITE - 1262262.
Proposed aircraft losses for this day:
Hart Trainer - K3146 - 9 FTS - dived into ground Hankerton, 3 miles NE of Malmesbury, Wiltshire.
Hurricane I - N2433 - 55 OTU - crashed on landing Ouston.
Hurricane I - V7237 - 59 OTU - flew into ground Howbarry, Dumfries.
Oxford I - R6087 - 14 FTS - crashed in forced landing at night Hemingford Abbots, Huntingdonshire.
Oxford II - V3645 - 15 FTS - crashed on take-off Weston-on-the-Green.
Spitfire I - X4475 - 57 OTU - abandoned near Ilkley, Yorkshire.
Stirling I - N6002 - 10 MU - crashed Castle Combe.
Tiger Moth II - N6480 - 11 EFTS - crashed on landing Perth.
Tiger Moth II - N6654 - 4 EFTS - crashed; no further details.
Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk. ....Read More.||Henk Welting on 1st September 2008 12:01:17|
|410416 - Unaccounted airmen - 16-4-1941||Hi Henk
Bet you didn't realise you were mixing with the British Nobility!! Frederick C G Eden is registered at Westminster after being killed in an Air raid, he was the 6th holder of the title Baron Auckland(the Auckland in this case is in County Durham). I suppose it is possible he was attending our Parliament.(The Houses of Parliament were among buildings damaged by bombing during the night of 16/17 Apr 1941)
Now to business! Davidson,20 is registered at St Ives, Cambridgeshire(this area is right for Hemmingford Abbots.( ?Oxford R6087)), both Raphael and Shipway-Fowler are registered at Chippenham,Wiltshire it could connect them to Hart K3146, it is the right area.2 possible William A Jones, one ,44, in Lambeth S London just across the river from Westminster. and one ,36, in Manchester(CWGC don't have an age but theirs is buried at Hendon in N London). Thomas C Sharkey,28, and Donald J White,27 are registered at Howden, E Yorkshire a slight puzzle as this office supposedly closed in 1937 and it's function passed to Holderness and Howdenshire, but on a previous thread Tom found others also at Howden, it might be that on the list on Ancestry the "shire"was dropped for lack of space. Govett,20, is registered at Doncaster E Yorkshire, Thorpe is registered at Newton, probably the one in Devon. Silverman didn't come up so could be Scotland.
Dick ....Read More.||Dick on 1st September 2008 01:13:37|
|410416 - Unaccounted airmen - 16-4-1941||Hi Henk
Shipway-Fowler (Pilot) and Raphael (Passenger) are listed in Wings over Wiltshire by Rod Priddle, as the crew of Hawker Hart K3146 which crashed near the village of Charlton 6 miles northeast of Hullavington.
Nick ....Read More.||nicks on 1st September 2008 02:53:05|
|Sgt Charles Edward Slee #364176 baleout "August 24 1935 " Colnbrook"||Thanks to Charles Slee's grandson Guillaume I can now report a little more about this incident. It is this incident
"AIR 10/1582 Report on Flying accidents during July-Dec 1935 Page20 ? In addition to the incidents noted above, in all of which the aircraft concerned were completely wrecked, there was one incident in which the aircraft was landed successfully by the pilot, who had lost control in bad weather, after his passenger who landed unhurt had jumped as ordered by the pilot."
The pilot was Flt Lt. Reginald Vere Massey Odbert #17030 and Slee was on A Flight of the "A T Section" (Aircraft Test or Armament testing?) Section of A&AEE Martlesham Heath at the time.
The incident is described by Slee thus
"On August 24th I was returning to this Unit from Heath Row with Flight Lieutenant R. V. M ODBERT as pilot in a Hart aircraft.
After leaving Heath Row we climbed in cloud to about 7,000 feet when the aircraft got out of control. As we were still in cloud and still out of control at a height of 1,500 feet the Pilot told me to jump.
This I did and came out of the rain and cloud at about 300 feet and landed without injury in a field at Colnhrook, Bucks. "
The only outstanding query is what Hart was involved. These were the known ones at Martlesham Heath in 1934 and 1935
From The Royal Air Force - Volume 2: An Encyclopedia of the Inter-War Years 1930-1939 by Ian Philpott
K2434 Dec 1934 Test-bed Napier Dagger I motor
K2969 Jul 1934 Vickers-built aircraft for testing
K2967 Jul 1934 Ballistic test aircraft
Hawker Hart Trainer (Interim)
K2475 Feb 1934 Dual-control for trials
K3146 Jul 1934 Production aircraft for trials
Hawker Hart I
K2434 Feb 1935 Trials aircraft. Dagger II motor.
K2466 Jan 1935 Dive-bombing trials
Hawker Hart (Swedish)
1301 Jan 1935 Export aircraft with Pegasus radial motor
Hawker Hart Trainer
K3743 Jul 1935 Trials aircraft
K3012 Apr 1935 Trials aircraft. To Canada
K3153 Sep 1935 Trainer aircraft trials <-- Can be discounted to late
My gut feeling is it may have been K2466 Jan 1935 Dive-bombing trials as Fairey were based at Heath Row at the time
Firstly Can anyone confirm what "A Flight" at Marlesham Heath were responsible for I assume Bombers... As both Slee and Odbert were long term 'Bomber' men
Paul ....Read More.||paulmcmillan on 4th April 2017 04:12:55|