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Casualities in the CWGC Register for Dakota III KG653

Rank Name, Number, Trade & Details DateUnit Country Cemetary/Memorial & Loc Ref
CorporalJames Ernest ALLEN (R/116919) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanLawrence Irwin BEACH (R/53101) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
SergeantGeorge BECKOFF (116352) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-241 FU GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanOliver Eugene Debs BERGEN (R/198657) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanRobert Thomas BURDEN (R/163109) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
CorporalWilliam Howard CAMPBELL (R/72053) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24408 Sqdn AIR27 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanJoseph Adelard Real CHEVRIER (R/54834) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanJoseph Robert Marcel Armand COUTURIER (R/174379) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
CorporalJames CUMMING (R/10195A) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanFrederick Robert Leigh GATES (R/150018) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanMaxwell James Foch GOOD (R/169520) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
SergeantWalter Francis HUGHES (R/58248) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
CorporalHoward John HUNTER (R/159360) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Flight LieutenantRalph KORER (119790) Pilot Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-241 FU GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanFred Larson KRISTENSEN (R/191794) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanWilliam John Scott LUNDY (R/194702) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanDonald John MACDONALD (R/176956) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
CorporalLorne Hamilton MOREAU (P/10407) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Aircraftman 1st ClassJohn Dunlop McVIE (R/258359) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
CorporalFrederick William SARGEANT (R/212995) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanJohn Cyril SUTHERLAND (R/72988) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Pilot OfficerLionel Alfred VEARY (165184) Navigator Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-241 FU GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery
Leading AircraftmanHenry Studwell WATSON (R/270640) Dakota III KG653  Forum Post 1944-09-24 GermanyRheinberg War Cemetery

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For Hugh Halliday - Sept 24 '44 C-47I am very much obliged for this update and would appreciate knowing a bit more about Meimberg (when born, enlisted in Luftwaffe, general wartime record, postwar employment) for purposes of a short article in the "Observail" (newsletter of the Ottawa Chapter, Canadian Aviation Historical Society). For those unfamiliar with the original thread, the following is a summary of notes which themselves were compiled with the help of Henk Welting, Chris Charland, Bruno Le Caplan, Mark Huxtable, and Wally Fydenchuk. The story began with my noting the names of several RCAF tradesmen, all of whom had been killed aboard Dakota KG653, identified with No.1 Personnel Despatch Unit, viz: ALLEN, Cpl JE, BEACH, LAC LI, BERGEN, LAC OED, BURDEN, LAC RT, CAMPBELL, Cpl WH, CHEVRIER, LAC JAR M, COUTURIER, LAC JRM, CUMMING, Cpl J, GATES, LAC FRL, GOOD, LAC, HUGHES, Sgt WF, HUNTER, Cpl HJ, KRISTENSEN, LAC FL, LUNDY, LAC WJS, MACDONALD, LAC DJ, McVIE, AC1 JD, MOREAU, Cpl LH, SARGEANT, Cpl FW, SUTHERLAND, LAC JC, WATSON, LAC HS Subsequent research indicated that the aircraft itself was from No.1 Ferry Unit and the aircrew were 119790 F/L R. Korer (pilot), 165184 P/O L.A. Veary (navigator), Aus 776352 Sergeant G. Beckoff (WOPAG). The Parent unit was Doncaster. Information gathered after the war (found in at least one RCAF casualty file) included interviews with German officials, notably the Burgomeister of Neu Leiningen, who reported that on 24 September a "two motor transport aircraft" crashed at 1300 hours. The weather was very bad, dark low clouds, heavy rain, thunder and lightning. Several aircraft were heard. Also, they believed they heard machine guns of a fighter. The aircraft was reported has having exploded and burned in mid-air; wreckage and bodies strewn over a large area. A guard was mounted by police at Wattenheim until Luftwaffe police arrived to collect what they could including documents. Some articles of tropical clothing were also recovered. The aircraft was one of 15 Dakotas on a special flight from Pershore to India with 300 RCAF personnel as passengers. The weather was cloudy, 8/10s at 1,000 feet and occasional raid. Good tops reported at 1,400 feet. Freezing at 7,000 feet. Moderate icing in cloud. Visibility below cloud was four miles (two miles in rain). No.1 Ferry Unit reported that KG653 with crew of three crew and 20 passengers were on a special flight to Karachi. Took off at 0330 hours, first stop Elmas, Sardinia (next stop Castel Benito), but never arrived. The crew obviously lost their way and must have been close to the limit of endurance when it was shot down. The latest posting is both sad and fascinating. ....Read More.HughAHalliday on 22nd January 2008 06:37:46
44 Squadron researchers - LM592 KM-Q[QUOTE=alieneyes;42308]The MacDonald who died on 24 September 1944 is not the man in the AWM photograph. http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem/detail&casualty=2047986 Date of Birth: May 16, 1909 Glace Bay, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada Son of Archibald M. and Alexis (nee MacLean) MacDonald, of Glace Bay, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. He joined the Air Force in September 1942 and was an air plane mechanic stationed at Moncton, New Brunswick, until he had an opportunity to fly on an overseas mission in August of 1944. The Dakota carrying he and 19 other passengers and 3 British crew, went missing on 24 September 1944. There are also three photographs of "this" MacDonald on the a/m website. Regards, Dave[/QUOTE] From Cummings' Though Without Anger: Dakota KG653 1 FU 4 miles south west of New Leiningen The aircraft was originally recorded as ‘Missing’ but was then found crashed in the German border area. The circumstances of its loss are not recorded but it is known that it was carrying mostly ground crew staff destined for a Canadian Dakota squadron operating in the Far East. The records also suggest that the aircraft was flown by a 437 Sqdn crew to which it had been allocated prior to its flight. F/Lt Ralph KORER Pilot P/O Lionel Alfred VEARLEY Navigator Sgt George BECKOFF RAAF Wireless Operator LAC Lawrence Irwin BEACH RCAF AC1 Frederick Robert Leigh GATES RCAF AC1 John Dunlop MCVIE RCAF LAC Oliver Eugene Debs BERGEN RCAF LAC John Adelard Real CHEVRIER RCAF LAC Joseph Robert Marcel Armand COUTURIER 21 RCAF LAC Michael James Foch GOOD RCAF LAC Fred Larsen KRISTENSEN RCAF LAC William John Scott LUNDY RCAF LAC Donald John MACDONALD RCAF LAC John Cyril SUTHERLAND RCAF LAC Henry Studwell WATSON RCAF Cpl James CUMMING RCAF Cpl Howard John HUNTER RCAF Cpl Lorne Hamilton MOREAU RCAF Cpl Frederick William SARGENT RCAF Sergeant Walter Francis HUGHES RCAF Cpl James Ernest ALLEN RCAF LAC Robert Thomas BURDEN RCAF Cpl William Howard CAMPBELL RCAF A ....Read More.Amrit on 14th January 2010 08:35:42
440924 - Unaccounted Airmen - 24-9-1944Hello, 440924 - Unaccounted Airmen - 24-9-1944 From Henk's List - FRANCE GRAYSON, Albert - LAC - 1277962 - RAFVR - St. Sever Cemetery, Extension, Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France. ITALY POTOCNIK, J - (Yugoslavian) - AC2c - 791249 - RAFVR - Sangro River War Cemetery, Italy. UK BEARD, Anthony Austin - F/O (Pilot) - 153415 - RAFVR - Thame (St. Mary) Churchyard, Oxfordshire. DUDLEY, John Dudley Edward - Sqdn/Ldr - 72649 - RAFVR - St. Albans (Hatfield Road) Cemetery, Hertfordshire. FINDING, Stanley - LAC - 1423981 - RAFVR - Weston-Super-Mare Cemetery, Somerset. WYATT, Daniel Charles George - Cpl - 523528 - RAF - Dartford (Watling Street) Cemetery, Kent. From CWGC & Geoff's sites - GERMANY KORER, Ralph - F/L (Pilot) - 119790 - RAFVR - Rheinberg War Cemetery, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany. [ Dakota - KG653 - 1 FU ]. VEARY, Lionel Alfred - P/O (Nav) - 165184 - RAFVR - Rheinberg War Cemetery, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany. [ Dakota - KG653 - 1 FU ]. ( CWGC site has name as VEARY, but Colin Cummings "Though Without Anger" has VEARLEY ). UK COLEMAN, Sydney Francis - Sgt (Air Bomber) - 1339954 - RAFVR - Frome (Holy Trinity) Churchyard, Sommerset. [ Wellington X - LP826 - 85 OTU ]. HARPER, Charles - Sgt(A/G) - 1829682 - RAFVR - Kirkconnel Cemetery, Dumfriesshire. [ Wellington X - LP826 - 85 OTU ]. JONES, Thomas William - Sgt(A/G) - 3031716 - RAFVR - Cardiff (Cathays) Cemetery, Glamorganshire. [ Wellington X - LP826 - 85 OTU ]. SAUNDERS, Frederick Charles - Sgt (Radio Op-Air) - 1852883 - RAFVR - Clevedon Cemetery, Somerset. [ Wellington X - LP826 - 85 OTU ]. WILTON, Alan Henry - Sgt(Pilot) - 1587833 - RAFVR - Bristol (Canford) Cemetery, Gloucestershire. [ Wellington X - LP826 - 85 OTU ]. YEMEN AUSTRIN, Alfred Richard - LAC - 1050466 - RAFVR - Maala Cemetery, Yemen. [ Passenger - Hudson VI - EW881 - Aden CU ]. DAWSON, Sidney Kenneth - LAC - 1802858 - RAFVR - Maala Cemetery, Yemen. [ Passenger - Hudson VI - EW881 - Aden CU ]. HUNTER, Charles Joseph John - Sgt (Pilot) - 1808875 - RAFVR - Maala Cemetery, Yemen. [ Crew - Hudson VI - EW881 - Aden CU ]. McHUGH, James Thomas - LAC - 645341 - RAF - Maala Cemetery, Yemen. [ Passenger - Hudson VI - EW881 - Aden CU ]. MORRIS, Ernest Cecil - Cpl - 1416856 - RAFVR - Maala Cemetery, Yemen. [ Passenger - Hudson VI - EW881 - Aden CU ]. QUICK, Alfred Ernest - LAC - 1474152 - RAFVR - Maala Cemetery, Yemen.[ Passenger - Hudson VI - EW881 - Aden CU ]. Alex ....Read More.Alex Smart on 27th June 2014 08:52:39
440924 - Unaccounted Airmen - 24-9-1944Hi FRANCE GRAYSON, Albert - LAC - 6409 SE. ITALY POTOCNIK, J - (Yugoslavian) - AC2 - not listed in GRO lists. GERMANY KORER, Ralph - F/L (Pilot) - Dakota - KG653 - 1 FU ]. VEARY, Lionel Alfred - P/O (Nav) - Dakota - KG653 - 1 FU ]. ( CWGC site has name as VEARY, but Colin Cummings "Though Without Anger" has VEARLEY ). UK BEARD, Anthony Austin - F/O (Pilot) - registered in North Cotswolds. DUDLEY, John Dudley Edward - Sqdn/Ldr - registered in . FINDING, Stanley - LAC - registered in Blackpool. WYATT, Daniel Charles George - Cpl - registered in Maidstone. COLEMAN, Sydney Francis - Sgt (Air Bomber) - Wellington X - LP826 - 85 OTU ]. HARPER, Charles - Sgt(A/G) - Wellington X - LP826 - 85 OTU ]. JONES, Thomas William - Sgt(A/G) - Wellington X - LP826 - 85 OTU ]. SAUNDERS, Frederick Charles - Sgt (Radio Op-Air) - Wellington X - LP826 - 85 OTU ]. WILTON, Alan Henry - Sgt(Pilot) - Wellington X - LP826 - 85 OTU ]. Malcolm ....Read More.malcolm_raf on 28th June 2014 05:28:02
F/L Korer Ralph 119790Alain [B]Ralph Korer[/B] b. Q1 1921 (MMS Isaacs) Reg Stockport 8a 118 Aug 1940(?) Enlisted Padgate 19 Dec 1941 1077616 Sgt Ralph Korer Cmd Plt Off RAFVR(GD) (119790) 19 Dec 1943 Prom Flt Lt 24 Sep 1944 KOAS Transit Pershore>Cagliari Dakota KG653 (RAFWEB) HTH Peter Davies ....Read More.Resmoroh on 1st May 2019 03:17:48
F/L Korer Ralph 119790Be interesting to know the Branch/Trade of the other crew members (presume Korer was the Pilot?). The shooting-down seems to have taken place around midday(-ish) - but certainly in daylight. KG653 seems to have been caught immediately post-cold front. It would - one assumes - have been relatively easy to determine the sun's position? There is a magnetic compass in the middle of the instrument panel coaming immediately behind the centre windscreen divider (or, at least, there is one in my FSX C-47!). TIA Peter Davies ....Read More.Resmoroh on 1st May 2019 07:32:09
F/L Korer Ralph 119790[QUOTE=Resmoroh;142497]Be interesting to know the Branch/Trade of the other crew members (presume Korer was the Pilot?). The shooting-down seems to have taken place around midday(-ish) - but certainly in daylight. KG653 seems to have been caught immediately post-cold front. It would - one assumes - have been relatively easy to determine the sun's position? There is a magnetic compass in the middle of the instrument panel coaming immediately behind the centre windscreen divider (or, at least, there is one in my FSX C-47!). TIA Peter Davies[/QUOTE] Crew of KG653: 119790 F/L (Pilot) Ralph KORER RAFVR 165184 P/O (Navigator) Lionel Alfred VEARY RAFVR AUS116352 Sgt (W./Op.) George BECKOFF RAAF Col. ....Read More.COL BRUGGY on 1st May 2019 08:21:03
F/L Korer Ralph 119790Col, Tks for that – it was what I had assumed! Now, I am not a qualified pilot – but I was taught how to handle an aircraft in-flight by an ex-Hastings OCU Instructor. One of the things he said was “If you’re driving an aeroplane never mind what the compass and directional instruments are telling you, first just check that the sun is in the right place for the direction you are supposed to be going to! Then check the instruments for the detail!”. In the case of KG653 we have an a/c that is 250nm ‘off-track’ after only a couple of hours flying. After that time he should have been somewhere near the R Loire SE of Orleans – [U]with the sun fairly well ‘on the nose’[/U]! But in stead he was heading E/SE into Germany – [U]with the sun somewhere over the starboard wing[/U]. Don’t compute! If I had to bet some of your money, I would be looking for a possible lightning strike upsetting the directional instruments, and our Skipper/Nav/WOp – in the confusion (and being attacked by fighters!!) – forgot the ‘sun trick’? Not the first time this has happened! We had much discussion (on this forum) many years ago of an alleged similar case of ignoring (either through ignorance, or deliberately) the sun’s position! HTH Peter Davies ....Read More.Resmoroh on 1st May 2019 09:22:23


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