|Spitfire L1093 54 Squadron||The plot thickens!
Aeromilitaria list has for N3183 9/7/40 f.l near Manston Cat 3 Alan Deere ok
and for P9398 on the same day 'collided with Bf 109 ROS (Alan Deere)'
Going back to my original query where FCWD lists just 2 54 S losses, now we have three
L1093, R6705 and N3183 plus one ROS, P9398.
Can anyone say which of these was KL-B 'Kiwi'? Aeromilitaria has it as P9398 , but I see that the modelmakers (Corgi etc) do not mark the serials on their 'Kiwi' a/c. Deere's 'Nine Lives' is of no help with the serials, howver it does confirm the loss of Tony Evershed on the 9th along with 'Yellow 2', presumably this was Garton.
DaveW ....Read More.||davew on 30th October 2008 01:32:26|
|Spitfire L1093 54 Squadron||Hi,
From FCL Vol1 revised.
9th July 1940
R6705 - 54 Sqn - P/O. Garton, KIA - sd by bf109.
L1093 - 54 Sqn - P/O. Evershed, KIA - sd off Dover.
N3183 - 54 Sqn - P/O Deere, safe - Collision with Bf109.
K9907 - 65 Sqn - S/L Cooke , KIA - sd by Bf109. (K File has date as 8th as does Spitfire the History).
R6637 - 609 Sqn - F/O Drummond-Hay, KIA - sd by Bf109.
R6806 - 610 Sqn - P/O Raven, KIA - Sd by Do17.
I also found
L1075 (Air Brit L1000-N9999 has 610 Sqn but no trace in Sqn ORB).
K9853 19 Sqn - pilot ? - Hit by K9799 (19 Sqn ) taxiing out for scramble Duxford.
[Palmer's "Fighter Squadron" has (page 180) P/O. Howard-Williams (Red 3) taxiing too fast and hit Red 1's tail ] So who was Red 1's (K9853) pilot?
While FCWD vol 1 has
Two Spitfires were reported missing and F/O Deere c/ld after head on collision with Feldwebel Hans Illner who also got back.
54 Sqn - Spitfires 2 MIA
609 Ssqn - Spitfires 1 MIA
Spitfire the History has for this date,
IS - R6893,R6895,R6805.
Dam - K9799, R6637.
Dest - L1075,N3183, R6637, R6705.
L1075 - 610S - 5.10.39; 603 S 17.10.39; FTR ops 9.7.40.
L1093 - 54 S SOC 16.7.40
N3183 - 54 S - sd by Bf109 nr Dover 19.15hrs 9.7.40 P/O Evershed miss.
R6705 - 54 S - Sd by Bf109 C3 9-7 P/O Garton kld.
R6806 - 610 S C3 ops 2-9-40.
Aces High has
P9383 as flown by Deere on the 9th July claims one Bf109 and one Bf109 unconfirmed, Collided with this a/c [Spitfire the History has Deere in this a/c too].
and to answer the next posting - Yes Aces High does say that Alan Christopher Deere was born in Auckland on the 12th December 1917. Attended Wanganui High School. He died in late September 1995 and at his request his ashes were scattered from the RAFMFlt Spitfire over the Thames Estuary.
Alex ....Read More.||Alex Smart on 31st October 2008 10:54:26|
|Spitfire L1093 54 Squadron||Hi,
So full Circle,
If Deere was in P9383, Evershed was in N3183 and Garton was in R6705.
Who was flying L1093 ?
Hi DaveW, Thanks for input re P/O. A.L. B. Raven, CWGC has him with 610 Sqn, if he was in L1075 and not R6806 it would fit the sceen better as S/L Collins was wounded in her (R6806) on Sept 2nd with 72 Sqn. And isn't there alway a "But" because Raven could have been the pilot of K9914 of 66 Sqn lost due to an engine fire and crash landed on the 8th ( I note I made some time ago [ref forgotten] has K9914, 66, a/c abandoned, pilot P/O A.L.B Raven drowned ) which would bring L1075 to the front again with L1093 ? And then who was the pilot of K9914 if Raven was in L1075 ?
Also do not be drawn away thinking that because L1075 was coded DW-N in 1939 it would still have that code in July/Sept 1940 nore that R6806 coded DW-N in Feb 1940 would still be DW-N in Sept 1940. Codes were changed frequently it seems, due crashes, forced landings etc being taken out of service, to a/c being repaired, a/c losses and a/c returning to service and been BBOC.
Alex ....Read More.||Alex Smart on 31st October 2008 01:35:45|
|Spitfire L1093 54 Squadron||I have found a couple of drawings of Deere's Kiwi a/c. Kiwi I is in Spitfire Mk I/II Aces (Osprey) at Page 42. A/c is marked KL-B with no serial painted on and has black port underside, I presume in the black/white underside scheme divided along the centreline of the a/c. Caption says N3183 Kiwi May 1940.
Kiwi II is shown in The History on the second page of the coloured illustrations after page 314. This is said to be P9398, also KL-B, the top surface camo is a similar pattern to Kiwi I , but the underside of the nose is white, again presuming, that this is the slightly later scheme where only the underside of the port wing was black.
If both these a/c were the the ones involved in the incidents of 9th July then it follows that one of them cannot have been KL-B, (following on from Alex's comments), and no doubt it would have been N3183 that had been relegated to another letter to allow Alan Deere to change to a newer/better 'B', Kiwi II, and will explain how Tony Evershed came to be piloting what was on the face it Alan Deere's Kiwi.
So who was on L1093? (FCWD reports 'a further three a/c badly damaged) perhaps one of these was written off with combat damage on return.
DaveW ....Read More.||davew on 31st October 2008 04:55:05|
|Pilot Officer A Evershed 54 Squadron||Can anyone confirm the aircraft P/O A Evershed (number unknown) of 54 Squadron was flying when he was killed on 9th July 1940. Was it Spitfire Ia N3183 or L1093?
spitsortie ....Read More.||spitsortie on 4th December 2009 09:42:54|
|Pilot Officer A Evershed 54 Squadron||I've DEERE on L1093 and EVERSHED on N3183, but not confirmed. DEERE was RAF (from New Zealand) and might Errol have ans answer.
Henk. ....Read More.||Henk Welting on 4th December 2009 10:51:04|