|Flying Boat Accident 1941||Was a Lerwick its serial was L7248 ....Read More.||paulmcmillan on 12th September 2008 12:14:45|
|Flying Boat Accident 1941||Hi Norman,
According to Air Britain RAF Serials L1000 to N9999.
L7248 of MAEE (Marine Aircraft Experimental Establishment) Engine cut and aircraft dived into a hill at Faslane,Argyll. 21/10/41.
Sorry no crew details found as yet.
Dave. ....Read More.||highgroundsman on 12th September 2008 01:48:59|
|Flying Boat Accident 1941||Full details of this appear in UK Flight Testing Accidents 1940 to 1971 from Air Britain
It was the Prototype Lerwick serial L7248 on 21st October 1941
6 RAF Crew were
Flt Lt J. C. Alexander
Plt Off Mills
Mr Such (Civilian)
The aircraft was on a Calibration Test from MAEE Helensburgh.
The detail says the the pilot was inexperienced on type. The starboard engine failed in flight, the aircraft was unable to maintain height on one engine and flew into a hill at Faslane, Shandon. Both engines were sent to Bristol for strip examination but nothing was found to account for the failure. It was therefore assumed that exactor control trouble may have been experienced. It was noted by both the AIB and the OC that the handling characteristcs of the Lerwick had never been satisfactory when flying with one engine fearthered and there is little doubt that with failure of either power plant under smiliar circumstances the pilot would be in a most difficult situation. ....Read More.||paulmcmillan on 12th September 2008 04:20:22|
|Saunders Roe Lerwick Flying Boat||Thank you Henk, Paul and Highgroundsman for your most interesting information about the crash of Lerwick L7248 in October 1941. With your kind help I have now completed my research on this aircraft but out of pure interest created by the research, I wondered if someone could answer the following questions:
1) What were the SARO "Lerwick" Flying Boat crew positions? Beyond pilot, observer and gunner I'm become stuck. I dont mean L7248s position/crew name but generaly speaking.
2) Could the Lerwick operate from land as well as water? I've seen a picture of one showing what looks like an undercarriage.
3) What was a fully loaded Lerwick take-off run in distance?
4) Thinking of clear still water, where it must be difficult to judge depth etc. how did the pilot calculate a safe landing?
5) Did any of the 21 Lerwicks manufactured or parts of - survive the war? and if so where?
Norman ....Read More.||namrondooh on 13th September 2008 02:36:43|
|Flying Boat Accident 1941||Please could someone advise me where I could find out the following information about the crash of Lerwick L7248:
1) What was the purpose of L7248s flight ?
2) What was the duration and length of the flight ?
3) Was the flight in daylight or at night?
4) Was the flight-route in shore or off shore?
5) Were there any rescue attempts?
6) What exactly did the aircrafts unit M.A.E.E. do?
7) Was the German PoW camp near to the crash site involved in any rescue?
Norman ....Read More.||namrondooh on 18th September 2008 05:53:49|
|Flying Boat Accident 1941||I've now concluded all my research into the crash of Flying Boat Lerwick L7248 in 1941. Thank you all for your kind help. The information has been passed to the Helensburgh Heritage Trust, Dunbartonshire who requested the information originally. Thank you.
Before finishing I thought I would add a little more information gathered elsewhere about the incident.
From the RAF Commands forum I found out:
Saunders-Roe (Saro) Lerwick L7248 was the prototype, L 7249 the second and were both flight tested by the MAEE at Helensburgh along with other Lerwicks assigned to 209 Squadron RAF Oban. Altogether, 21 Lerwicks were manufactured. During the fatal flight on 21 October 1941, eyewitnesses saw the staboard wing dip and the seaplane fly straight into a hill at Shandon near Faslane. the court of inquiry/accident investigation board suggested that the staboard engine failed in some way and the handling characteristics had never been satisfactory with the Lerwick when flying on only one engine.
The MAEE were surrounded in secrecy, soon after the accident L 7248 was officially declared Category E and struck off charge while on 29 Oct 1941 Lerwick L7265 was listed as crashing on 21 Oct 1941 because it was assigned to 209 Squadron and therefore looked to be like the Lerwick involved (Lerwick L7248) Prototype L7248 was shrouded in mystery it only had 9 windows on each side of the fuselage and was fitted with a dummy tail turret. A copy of the aircraft picture can be obtained from the Imperial War Museum. and comes up on the "Wikepedia" when searching Lerwick. Clearly, dangerous work was carried out by the mysterious MAEE at Helensburgh. Thank you all for your help
. ....Read More.||namrondooh on 21st September 2008 01:17:09|
|AiB AVIA Class Reports||This file is in better condition in the TNA.
More files have photos and the extent of report is expanded from those previously in AVIA5/19
Far fewer mistakes in aircraft serial transcription
AA759 Spitfire V 22/10/1941 W1129
AA801 Spitfire IV 29/10/1941 W1132
AB646 Oxford II 30/11/1941 W1149
AB693 Oxford II 20/09/1941 W1111
AH432 Havoc II 21/11/1941 W1143
AH582 Airacobra I ??/10/1941 W1125
AH847 Tomahawk Ia 20/10/1941 W1126
AH856 Tomahawk Ia 31/05/1941 W1031
AH888 Tomahawk Iia 30/04/1941 W1015
AH922 Tomahawk IIa 11/09/1941 W1105A
AL562 Liberator II 23/11/1941 W1146
AM260 Liberator I 14/08/1941 W1089
AM261 Liberator I 10/08/1941 W1086a
AM915 Liberator I 01/09/1941 W1100
AN522 Fortress I 22/06/1941 W1048
AN534 Fortress I 28/07/1941 W1072
AN536 Fortress I 09/01/1942 W1165
AP475 Oxford II 07/02/1942 W1177
AR671 Mohawk IV 30/01/1942 W1175
AW209 Beaufort I 29/07/1941 W1072a
AW215 Beaufort I ??/06/1941 W1040
AW395 Havoc I 26/01/1942 W1171
AW850 Anson I 13/01/1942 W1169
BB912 Havoc I 22/04/1941 W1010
BD786 Hurricane Iib 30/08/1941 W1097
BJ494 Havoc I 29/09/1941 W1115
BL407 Spitfire V 24/12/1941 W1159
BL432 Spitfire V 14/02/1942 W1180
BL480 Spitfire V ??/01/1942 W1174
BL491 Spitfire V 08/03/1942 W1191
BL538 Spitfire V 09/03/1942 W1190
BL568 Spitfire V 10/01/1942 W1167
BT488 Hotspur II 19/12/1941 W1157
HM178 Argus I 15/03/1942 W1196
K5608 Shark II 24/02/1942 W1183
K6110 Tutor I 07/09/1941 W1103
L2887 Skua II 15/05/1941 W1023a
L3152 Roc 30/07/1941 W1076a
L3284 Henley I 03/06/1941 W1032
L4297 Wellington I 29/04/1941 W1013
L4575 Oxford I 05/05/1941 W1019
L4622 Oxford I 15/11/1941 W1139
L4636 Oxford I 25/10/1941 W1130
L4851 Blenheim IV 01/07/1941 W1055
L5964 Magister I 08/12/1941 W1152
L6195 Botha I 18/11/1941 W1140
L6396 Botha I 11/03/1942 W1194
L6449 Botha I 10/06/1941 W1038a
L6750 Blenheim I 24/01/1942 W1173
L6845 Whirlwind P 11/06/1941 W1039
L7248 Lerwick I 21/10/1941 W1127
L7300 Manchester I 23/11/1941 W1144
L7310 Manchester I 21/06/1941 W1046
L7315 Manchester I 29/06/1941 W1053
L7318 Manchester I 15/09/1941 W1107
L7428 Manchester I 18/11/1941 W1141
L7863 Wellington Ic 06/01/1942 W1163
L8084 Magister I 25/06/1941 W1051
L8164 Magister I 11/12/1941 W1153
L9567 Halifax 14/09/1941 W1106a
L9652 Oxford I 14/09/1941 W1005
L9935 Beaufort I 07/02/1942 W1178
N1474 Whitley V 17/06/1941 W1042
N3286 Spitfire I 15/08/1941 W1090
N3627 Blenheim IV 08/08/1941 W1086
N3935 Magister I 05/06/1941 W1034
N4563 Oxford I 04/05/1941 W1018
N5453 DH.82 Tiger Moth II 07/07/1941 W1058
N6019 Stirling I 08/05/1941 W1020
N6087 Stirling I 18/11/1941 W1142
N6431 Oxford II 30/01/1942 W1176
N6595 DH.82 Tiger Moth II 17/09/1941 W1108
N7574 Master I 25/09/1941 W1112b
N7581 Master I 30/08/1941 W1098
N7704 Master I 07/06/1941 W1035
N7765 Master I 25/09/1941 W1113
N7927 Master I 14/05/1941 W1022
N7996 Master I 17/03/1942 W1199a
N9318 DH.82 Tiger Moth II ??/06/1941 W1037
N9643 Anson I 22/04/1941 W1009
N9817 Anson I 15/05/1941 W1023
P1294 Hampden I 30/10/1941 W1133
P1368 Albemarle I 28/02/194 ....Read More.||Ross_McNeill on 11th November 2011 11:47:59|
|Remember Rhu||In memory of those who died while serving with RAF Helensburgh I will be sending a Poppy Cross to be placed on the war memorial at nearby Rhu, Lest We Forget them as their names are not recorded there. Among the fatalities: the complete crew of Lerwick L7248 while trying to solve inherent handling problems with this type of aircraft. The Short Scion fitted with a experimental hull crashed killing scientist Mr H G White. His young assistant James Hamilton sank with the Scion but survived to become Sir James Hamilton, knighted for his design work on Concorde. I think this reflects the mettle of the men and women who served with RAF Helensburgh (Marine Aircraft Experimental Establishment). Their numbers are reducing. Sir James and Aircraftman Len Townsend, both involved in the Scion experiments, passed away recently. My late father Bob Bird was the MAEE photographer at RAF Helensburgh. The Poppy Cross is in remembrance to them, too. Sixteen, possibly 17, people died in these flying accidents that continued to the end of 1945, claiming the lives of aircrew who had seen action operationally. It was tragic that they survived the war only to die in this way between October and December 1945. RAF Commands Forum is a fitting place to record their service to the country. MAEE made a major contribution to the defeat of U-Boats and improved ways of rescuing ditched RAF crew. Lest We Forget.
robin bird, Wallasey Cheshire ....Read More.||robin bird on 30th October 2015 06:10:05|
|JULY 1 a day to remember 'unsung heroes'||The memorial to be unveiled at Helensburgh on July 1, 2017, will remember all those who served with the Marine Aircraft Experimental Establishment, RAF Helensburgh. Particularly the pilots and aircrews, who conducted trials often resulting in death or injury. They were unsung heroes. The memorial has been erected by Airfields of Britain Conservation Trust inconjunction with Helensburgh Heritage Trust. RAF Helensburgh was a flying boat base also operating land based aircraft from Prestwick. Because of my interest in MAEE during the war I shall be going to Helensburgh in lieu of my late father. Incidentally I have just discovered that Saro Lerwick L7248 that crashed, killing all aboard, after taking off from Rhu, Helensburgh, was loaded with ballast from a previous trial. This almost certainly would have affected the handling of the aircraft that was fitted with an experimental twin tail. ....Read More.||robin bird on 25th June 2017 10:26:36|