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Hurricane I  P2687 [Royal Air Force Aircraft Serial and Image Database] RAFCommands.com

 Hurricane I  P2687


Block 1/G, Gloster Aircraft Company., Nov 1939 - April 1940 More information in: Dr. Colin James Pratt-Hooson's Hurricane Site

Aircraft Accident / Loss Entry

Date of Crash 19 May 40 Aircraft Name Hurricane I Serial Number P2687
Unit 87 Sqdn Operating Airfield Country
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Source Henk Welting's Database


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Sgt Denison 130 SquadronJoss, Are you looking for F/Lt James M. STRICKLAND - 39581 - 130 Sqn. ? I've on file that he was killed 14-8-1941 on Spitfire IIA serial P7556 near Portreath. (FlyPast June 1999 page 89). Was he the same pilot who was injured 19-5-1940 flying Hurricane P2687 of 87 Sqn ? Regards, Henk. ....Read More.Henk Welting on 19th February 2008 10:13:39
Sgt Denison 130 Squadronhello Yes the same pilot. He was ferrying a Hurricane to the continent and offered his service, with the five others pilots. He actually flew with No. 87 Squadron for three days, not sure the attachment was ever put on paper, but actually occured. Hurricane P2687 was dug out a couple of years ago (with official permission, as often), at Bachy, in France, about 200 meters from the franco-Belgian border. It's in this village that S/L FIDLER is buried. It seems that in fact it was DUNN who was flying that Hurricane, and STRICKLAND actually came down a couple of miles away (just can't remember the name of the village right now). No. 87 Squadron archives were lost during the retreat, and a rough sketch was written upon their return. The air battles on 19th May 1940 are quite difficult to understand, many pilots and planes involved, in a limited space. Hence my "appetite" for Peter Cornwell's book which I'll get soon. I'll check the ORB off line and will get back to the forum. Joss ....Read More.jossleclercq on 19th February 2008 03:34:03
Sgt Denison 130 Squadronhello Tom, I've checked the Squadron O.R.B., from its formation up to the demise of F/L STRICKLAND. No initials, but the surname is always spellt with two 'n', so you should try this way. I can't confirm he was with the Squadron from its formation, his arrival is clearly not mentioned, as for others. But I've seen his first flight in the form 541 on 17th July 1941. From that date until 16 August, he flew 33 times. I've noted all the flights but no time tonight to type them all. But will do, tomorrow if I can. Indeed he flew with F/L STRICKLAND as his wingman twice on 14th August 1941, a Convoy Patrol 15:40-16:50, and then the interception 17:30-17:40, "Jimmy" STRICKLAND crashing at 17:35 according to the ORB. DENNISON was flying Spitfire P8072 on both flights. What is your interest in F/L STRICKLAND ? I attended the ceremony in Bachy when the remains of Hurricane P2687 were temporarily put on show. His daughter was there, but I couldn't get near hear as some of the organisers didn't want me to be part of it. They knew I could put some "blacks" in explaining the different mistakes in the exhibit. The Mayor of the village and the other officials were left thinking this was STRICKLAND's plane, while he was not flying it when he was shot down. I saw that the daughter still had his father's log-book, and I would have liked to have access to it, but it was simply not possible. Hope you'll get a step further with the correct spelling. Joss ....Read More.jossleclercq on 19th February 2008 04:46:03
Sgt Denison 130 SquadronHi All Just to confuse things somewhat!! The Battle of France(Peter Cornwell)mentions both Strickland and Dunn as being involved in combat NE of Tournai at 1030 on 19/5/40. It has Strickland as being shot down in Hurricane P2687,and baling out with wounded arms and sustaining hits in his legs from French ground fire.Dunn got back with a damaged a/c(not identified). They are stated as being in combat with Bf109s of 9/JG26. The JG26 War Diary(Donald Caldwell) records claims for 2 Hurricanes nr Tournai by Fw Roth but at 8:30 pm. It does record attacks by 9/JG26 on the airfield at Lille-Marck at around 1100 and this was 87 Sqn base. Strickland is recorded under 87 Sqn losses. There is no mention of Dennison at this period. Regards Dick ....Read More.Dick on 20th February 2008 06:52:02
Sgt Denison 130 Squadronhello, This is an answer to Dick's message. Dennison has nothing to do wit the air battle of 19th May 1940. He was the wingman of F/L STRICKLAND when the latter was killed in a take off crash on 14th August 1941. Hurricane P2687 was dug out about 18 months ago or so, in the village of Bachy, as I previously stated. The group which made the dig was trying to ascertain if the crashed plane mentioned by the older inhabitants of the area was indeed S/L FIDLER's, as he's buried in the village. But there were some details that didn't match, between some of the known facts and the statements of witnesses. Some people remembered the plane crash, the pilot bailing out, landing by parachute, being burnt and recovered by allied troops present in the area. Others have seen the plane crash, and a dead pilot with a shot in the head, and were strongly believing that this pilot was exiting his machine when a bullet struck his forehead, killing him instantly. As all of you who have interviewed witnesses, you know how difficult it can be to get an accurate picture of the events. According to Belgian researcher Dominique Van Den Broucke, it was actually Dunn who was flying P2687, he landed by parachute in Bachy, near the belgian border, and was burnt. His burns were dressed by a local family of farmers. It's difficult to have further informations from him, as he was killed in action a few days later. But his widow confirmed that he was burnt following the 19th May 1940 action. "Jimmy" STRICKLAND came down a couple of km further, either in Nomain or Auchy-les-Orchies (I can't tell from memory), and indeed he was wounded by firearms. Dominique has done an extensive research about this event, but members of the digging group have a very limited knowledge, which was quite apparent during the temporary exhibit of the remains of Hurricane P2687. Had they been more "open-minded", it would have been possible to join forces and compare informations and sources to have a better picture of the whole event. They strongly refused my input in this case, so I chose to keep my research for myself... I've been gathering informations about the 19th May 1940 air battles for years, from as much sources as I can, and there's still many gaps to fill in, and I'm afraid a few will remain so. Joss ....Read More.jossleclercq on 20th February 2008 08:37:28
Sgt Denison 130 Squadron[QUOTE=Henk Welting;4763]Joss, Are you looking for F/Lt James M. STRICKLAND - 39581 - 130 Sqn. ? I've on file that he was killed 14-8-1941 on Spitfire IIA serial P7556 near Portreath. (FlyPast June 1999 page 89). Was he the same pilot who was injured 19-5-1940 flying Hurricane P2687 of 87 Sqn ? Regards, Henk.[/QUOTE] I am seeking a photo of F/Lt James M. STRICKLAND (39581) to add to a remembrance dedication page called "Remembering fallen pilots of the Battle of Britain" on Facebook. When a pilot on the Remembering page doesn't have a photo we try to obtain one. If you can help please email me. Thank you. [url]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346231092246753/441661799370348/?notif_t=group_activity[/url] ....Read More.Spitfire609 on 24th February 2016 03:51:02
P/O Horatio James "Jimmy" Rennie Dunn RAF (33411) Battle of FranceAll I am trying to sort all this out this mess... Has anyone got AIR 81/206 ?? Pilot Officer H J R Dunn: injured; Hurricane "P2362" force landed due to a shortage of petrol, 9 May 1940 P2362 was a Battle, the correct serial was N2362 According to BoFTaN 87 Sqn May 9 Hurricane N2362 Radiator damaged by return fire from do17 of Stab KH2 engaged ovr Lillie Seclin overturned attempting forced-landing a Rethel P/O H J R Dunn injured N2362 'Dunn evacuated to England and succumbed to his injuries June 1" Not True - He died in Hurricane P 3519, 87 Squadron, 1 June 1940 in the UK [url]http://www.yorkshire-aircraft.co.uk/aircraft/yorkshire/york40/p3519.html[/url] Just to confuse things somewhat the BoFTaN has him involved in further incidents (so thereby conflicting with above being evacuated to England) twice on 19th May 1940 and again on May 20th 1940 Once at 10:30 am Returned Damaged to Lille-Marcq and abandoned near Orchies at 11.50 am Both Hurricanes unidentified And on May 20th Hurricane L1964 Crashed On Landing LK-J An old posting on this site [url]http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?2550-P-O-H-J-R-Dunn-87-Squadron[/url] Says he was piloting "Hurricane L1620 near Orchies" on 19th May 1940 - -I can't see this being correct either As L1620 was lost pre-war Sgt Thomas Frederick Dowsett Dewdney being killed [url]https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=15079[/url] and according to [url]http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?941-Sgt-Denison-130-Squadron&p=4828#post4828[/url] According to Belgian researcher Dominique Van Den Broucke, it was actually Dunn who was flying P2687 (May 19th 1940 - BoFTaN Currently allocate to F/Lt James 'Jimmy' Murray Strickland # 39581) , he landed by parachute in Bachy, near the belgian border, and was burnt. His burns were dressed by a local family of farmers. It's difficult to have further informations from him, as he was killed in action a few days later. (this later statement is untrue he died in UK) "But his widow confirmed that he was burnt following the 19th May 1940 action." If this is true why does he only have a AIR 81/206 for May 9th -only Unless other dates included? See a bit of a mess even for Battle of France! He has another AIR 81/44 Pilot Officer H J R Dunn: interned; Hurricane L1619 landed near Courtrai, Belgium, 10 November 1939; escaped and rejoined unit on 24 November 1939. Strickland has the following for May 19th 1940 AIR 81/2544 Flying Officer J M Strickland: injured; 213 Squadron, shot down, enemy action during British Expeditionary Forces evacuation of France, 19 May 1940. ....Read More.paulmcmillan on 13th August 2018 09:02:22
P/O Horatio James "Jimmy" Rennie Dunn RAF (33411) Battle of FranceP/O Horatio James "Jimmy" Rennie Dunn RAF (33411) Battle of France All I am trying to sort all this out this mess... Has anyone got AIR 81/206 ?? Pilot Officer H J R Dunn: injured; Hurricane "P2362" force landed due to a shortage of petrol, 9 May 1940 P2362 was a Battle, the correct serial was N2362 According to BoFTaN 87 Sqn May 9 Hurricane N2362 Radiator damaged by return fire from do17 of Stab KH2 engaged ovr Lillie Seclin overturned attempting forced-landing a Rethel P/O H J R Dunn injured N2362 'Dunn evacuated to England and succumbed to his injuries June 1" Not True - He died in Hurricane P 3519, 87 Squadron, 1 June 1940 in the UK [url]http://www.yorkshire-aircraft.co.uk/...k40/p3519.html[/url] AIR 81/2197 Pilot Officer H J R Dunn: killed; aircraft accident, Hurricane P 3519, 87 Squadron, 1... Just to confuse things somewhat the BoFTaN has him involved in further incidents (so thereby conflicting with above being evacuated to England) twice on 19th May 1940 and again on May 20th 1940 Once at 10:30 am Returned Damaged to Lille-Marcq and abandoned near Orchies at 11.50 am Both Hurricanes unidentified And on May 20th Hurricane L1964 Crashed On Landing LK-J An old posting on this site [url]http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...nn-87-Squadron[/url] Says he was piloting "Hurricane L1620 near Orchies" on 19th May 1940 - -I can't see this being correct either As L1620 was lost pre-war Sgt Thomas Frederick Dowsett Dewdney being killed [url]https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=15079[/url] and according to [url]http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...=4828#post4828[/url] According to Belgian researcher Dominique Van Den Broucke, it was actually Dunn who was flying P2687 (May 19th 1940 - BoFTaN Currently allocate to F/Lt James 'Jimmy' Murray Strickland # 39581) , he landed by parachute in Bachy, near the belgian border, and was burnt. His burns were dressed by a local family of farmers. It's difficult to have further informations from him, as he was killed in action a few days later. (this later statement is untrue he died in UK) "But his widow confirmed that he was burnt following the 19th May 1940 action." If this is true why does he only have a AIR 81/206 for May 9th -only Unless other dates included? See a bit of a mess even for Battle of France! He has another AIR 81/44 Pilot Officer H J R Dunn: interned; Hurricane L1619 landed near Courtrai, Belgium, 10 November 1939; escaped and rejoined unit on 24 November 1939. Strickland has the following for May 19th 1940 AIR 81/2544 Flying Officer J M Strickland: injured; 213 Squadron, shot down, enemy action during British Expeditionary Forces evacuation of France, 19 May 1940. ....Read More.paulmcmillan on 13th August 2018 09:10:46


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