|13 Squadron Intruders ops||Hi Alain
What I can get from Warner's "Blenheim" is:-
N3616,13 Sqn. lost supporting 1000 Plan raid
P/O R Cundy( Boulogne East), Sgt R Stevenson(Calais Canadian) and Sgt J Bennet(Runnymede) all KIA when the a/c came down in the sea
Z6186,13 Sqn.Op to Venlo. F/Lt D Redman, F/Sgt P Enna, F/Sgt T Trimmer all KIA.Buried in Reichswald.(Possibly moved there by CWGC)
Z6084,13 Sqn.Op to St Truiden, shot down by NJG1, P/O P Frith, Sgt H Vinter, Sgt R Plant all KIA ,buried in Hewaart Churchyard
T2254 also shot down by NJG1, F/O P Looker, F/Sgt W O'Neill RNZAF, Sgt G Cox all KIA buried at Schoonselhof
Dick ....Read More.||Dick on 26th May 2008 01:28:56|
|13 Squadron Intruders ops||Hello Alain,
For nearly 5 years now I've been researching to document the history of 13 Sqdn Blenheim T2254 and it's unfortunate crew that crashed near Aartselaar in Belgium on 25/26.06.1942 during their intruder mission in support of the third and final 1000 Raid. I've been able to find an extraordinary amount of material so far and I have copies of the Squadron's ORB for the period of the 1000 Raids.
I'll be happy to help you out so just let me know what you need.
Walter, also from Belgium ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 26th May 2008 03:14:04|
|13 Squadron ORB||As part of my research into the history of 13 Sqdn's Blenheim Mk IV T2254 I obtained copies of the ORB from the National Archives, covering the period from July 1941 upto and including June 1942.
Regretably, for the period upto May 1942 the NA only have the Forms 540 and are missing the Forms 541 which of course give valuable details on aircraft and crews.
I noted there's a tremendous amount of knowledge going around on this forum so would any of you know of another source for ORB's? Already checked the Air Historical Branch and RAF Museum.
Thanks in advance !
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 6th June 2008 04:00:23|
|German photos of Allied aircraft||Hi all,
I would like to find photos of the wreck of 13 Sqdn's Blenheim Mk IV T2254 I-OO that crashed near Aartselaar in Belgium on 26.06.1942 so this thread is excellently timed!
About two weeks ago I contacted the Bundesarchiv in Koblenz who confirmed they do hold numerous photographs of crashed allied aircraft (taken by so-called Propaganda Kompanien) but that these are neither dated nor linked by any other means to any specific location. On is free to come and search the archive but this would mean going trough boxes with hundreds of photos - the proverbial needle in the haystack springs to mind! Military documentary material is held by the Bundesmilitärarchiv in Freiburg alright, but the photos and films are all kept in the central Bildarchiv at Koblenz.
The lady that answered my query also suggested contacting ECPAD in France which puzzled me a bit (why look for German photos in France?) but Joss Leclerq's below post answered that question of course.
Joss, would you know if the ECPAD collection only holds photos relating to crashes on French soil?
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 24th August 2008 03:08:01|
|Mistery man - E H Turner||In the night of June 25/26th 1942 a 13 Sqdn Blenheim Mk IV crashed near Aartselaar in Belgium. This was Blenheim T2254, OO-A, crewed by F/O P.H.Looker 45339 RAF, F/Sgt W.G.O'Neill 404496 RNZAF and Sgt G.W.Cox 1381469 RAFVR, all KIA. They had taken of from RAF Wattisham at 2350 hrs on 25.06.1942 for an intruder mission to the Nachtjagd base at Venlo. The airmen were buried at the Schoonselhof cemetery.
In 1944 Sgt Cox's brother Geoffrey who was with the medical corps managed to visit his brother's grave and sent a letter home to his mother in which he mentioned that the Germans had actually recovered the remains of a fourth airmen named Turner!
I found this most intriguing and started to look for evidence, first with the CWGC who were kind enough to advise that because of their workload it would take them quite some time to revert. Then I thought of asking the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva who kindly provided me with copies of all the German documents they had in their archive and that were related to my research.
These confirmed that the Germans indeed identified messrs O'Neill and Cox, obviously by means of their ID tags, an E H Turner by means of a Mae West bearing his name and finally an unidentified airman. Turner and the unidentified man were buried in one grave. From eye-witness reports I learned that all of the remains were carried away from the crash in just two caskets.
From info contained in the MR&ES casualty report I now know that the MR&ES people looked into the matter in 1947 and that it was confirmed that the "double grave" contained the remains of only one man which had to be F/O Looker. The same report also mentions German death cards stating that the aircraft crashed at 02:39 hrs on the 26th following FLAK damage.
This has provided a fascinating sideline story to my ongoing research into the history of Blenheim T2254 and its unfortunate crew but I've often wondered who E H Turner may have been...
I hear it was not uncommon for airmen to exchange items of flying kit for want of better fit or what have you and that this has led to misidentification of casualties in a number of cases.
When I contacted the RAF Personnel Agency they could not help me any further and there's no E H Turner listed on the CWGC website either.
I understand that airmen were allocated their items of flying kit upon arrival at their squadron and that in between flights this kit was kept at a "store". Would each squadron on a multi squadron station (13's home station at that time was RAF Odiham) have its own flying kit store or would this be a centralised affair?
Any comments, tips or suggestions will be much appreciated.
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 17th November 2008 02:44:49|
|Bristol Blenheim Mk IV - T2254||The above Blenheim has been the object of ongoing research for quite a few years now and although I've amassed quite a bit of information already I wonder if any of the kind folk on this forum might contribute a bit more!
Following information is provided by the Aircraft Movement Card held by the RAF Museum :
- taken on charge by RAF on 31.08.40 she was allocated to 27 MU (Maintenance Unit)
- allocated to 40 Sqdn on 05.09.40 but this was changed to 18 Sqdn the same day
- suffered a Cat “B” accident on 04.12.40 and repaired by SAS (Servicing Aircraft Section)
- taken on charge by 23 MU on 24.02.41
- transferred to 19 MU on 19.03.41
- taken on charge by 13 Sqdn on 23.07.41
- after a flying accident Cat “AC” taken allocated to 43 Grp D/A (43 Group Deposit
Account – a list of aircraft awaiting, or undergoing, repair or modifiation) on 16.08.41
- handed over to CRO (Civilian Repair Organisation) for reparation on site on 22.08.41
- taken over again by 13 Sqdn on 11.09.41
- Cat “AC” flying accident on 09.03.42, repaired on site by CRO
- taken on charge again by 13 Sqdn on 24.03.42
T2254's service life ended when it crashed near Aartselaar in Belgium on 26.06.1942 at 02:39 hrs after being damaged by FLAK. F/O Looker, Flt/Sgt O'Neill and Sgt Cox lost their lives.
As you can see above the a/c suffered three flying accidents, the last of which I was able to identify because Flt/Sgt O'Neill actually described it in one of his letters to his mother. As for the two others, the RAF Museum do not hold the Aircraft Accident Card for T2254 so would there be any other sources where one could find either this document or other info about the accidents? Their is no mention of these accidents in the 18 Sqdn or 13 Sqdn ORB's.
As for T2254's service with 18 Sqdn - would anyone be able to give me the aircraft's individual code letter? A photograph would be even better!
For the record, during its stay with 13 Sqdn T2254 wore the code letters OO-I .
Any help or info will be greatly appreciated.
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 12th December 2008 02:44:42|
|Would they have made it to their target?||Hello All,
I've posted threads before on my favourite Blenheim, 13 Sqdn's Mk IV T2254 but here's another thing that's been puzzling me.
Aircraft took of from RAF Wattisham on 25.06.1942 at 23.50 hrs, target the German night fighter base at Venlo, in Holland near the German border. Crashed on 26.06.1942 at 02:39 hrs in a field near Aartselaar in Belgium, to the South of Antwerp, presumably after flak damage.
There are still controversies surrounding the crash. Eyewitnesses of the "morning after" agree that the aircraft had apparently made a belly landing which went awfully wrong as none of the crew survived. Some talked of an explosion but a witness I've been fortunate to interview myself can't recall an explosion (and he lived only about 200 metres or so away from where the Blenheim came down). This gentlemen also distinctly recalls that the wreck lay there more or less in shape, ie with wings and tailplane in more or less the correct position but with the nose and cockpit section totally wrecked. I have an RAF PRU photo of the area taken only about 14 days after the crash but on that there is no sign of a crater that would have been the result of an explosion. As a matter of fact, on that very photo I see something that might be the wreck of T2254 but the location is a bit off as to what the witnesses recall. Sadly the focal length with which the photo was taken does only allow zooming in to such an extent that one could positively identify the "object" as a Blenheim wreck.
I have seen several photo's of Blenheims on their belly after a forced landing, with wings and tailplane more or less intact but with the cockpit section destroyed so they above might make sense. The remains of the three airmen where in such a state however that 2 caskets were sufficient to carry them away...
The aircraft carried a bombload comprising 250 lb GP instantaneous, 250 lb GP 30 minute delay and 40 lb A/P bombs.
So the question is, would the 2 hrs and 49 min that passed between take-off and crash have allowed them to reach their objective, Venlo? I have been unable to find a map showing the relevant part of the UK together with the Dutch/German border area so I am not sure of the distance fm Wattisham to Venlo.
Presuming they did not make it to the target, the fact that they belly landed the aircraft would imply they were still in control of it and that they would have jettisoned their bombload before, or wouldn't it?
As always, any answers, tips or suggestions will be most welcome.
Seasons greetings to all!
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 22nd December 2008 03:02:08|
|Would they have made it to their target?||Hello Walter,
A couple of points: if you download GoogleEarth (it's free!) on your computer, you can do all sorts of fancy tricks including superimposing lat and long grids, plotting courses and measuring distances in miles or kms. As the crow flies, the distance from Wattisham to Venlo is 229.74 miles, but would they have flown straight there - quite possibly I guess at that relatively early stage of the war when bombers flew singly to their target.
Secondly, according to Theo Boiten's recently published "Nachtjagd War Diaries" (which seems to have escaped the attention of this forum), Blenheim T2254 was possibly shot down at 03.18 by Hptm. Erich Simon (his 3 abschuss) of Erg./NJG2.
Max ....Read More.||Galgos on 22nd December 2008 03:40:49|
|Would they have made it to their target?||Many thanks for your input gentlemen,
Max - I do have GoogleEarth on my pc but never realized it could also do those things! I found it very handy in fact to compare the PRU photo with the crash area as it now is.
In Bill Chorley's relevant Bomber Command Losses volume T2254 was given aircraft letter "A" and the kill was attributed to Hptm Reinhold Knacke.
After five years of research I now have documentary and photo evidence that the aircraft was in fact "I-ink" and not "A-apple"! The 1942 volume of the BC Losses was published I believe in 1990 and many new things have come to light since then and it was in fact Bill Chorley himself who let me know that as per the most recent Luftwaffe victory lists Knacke did not claim a single kill on 25/26-06-1942 nor did any other pilot of his unit, I/NJG 1. Bill Chorley was kind enough to use my findings to update the info on T2254 on his BC Losses website.
Always looking for further info I got in touch with a German amateur aero historian by the name of Winfried Bock (I was given his details by no else than nachtjagd ace Heinz Rökker) and this gentlemen proved to be very knowledgeable. Here's the important bit out of his letter to me (other readers on this forum may find it of interest too):
As per the OKL (Oberkommando der Luftwaffe) report 45 enemy aircraft were downed that night, as per the OKW (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht) report, nightfighters and flak jointly claimed 52 kills. (my records show in total 18 flak kills and 36 nightfighter kills). The RAF admitted having lost 25 Wellingtons, 9 Halifaxes, 8 Whitleys, 3 Stirlings, 2 Blenheims, 1 Lancaster, 1 Manchester and one Hampden (Bomber Command) as well as 3 Hudsons (Coastal Command) and one fighter command Hurricane, totalling to 54 aircraft missing. Two more aircraft, a Wellington and a Stirling, crashed on their return.
Of those 54 missing aircraft, regrettable, only 29 crash sites are known. On the nightfighter claims list 4 crash site indications are missing as well, which makes identifying the one time opponents very difficult.
The crash sites of the two missing Blenheims however are known, Z6094 crashed at Houwaart and T2254 crashed at Aartselaar.
If we now consider the German Blenheim claims, we find following information :
01.39 Oblt von Bonin II/NJG 1 Blenheim 16 km N Tirlemont
02.10 Flak Blenheim 5 km W Bergen op Zoom
02.36 Flak Blenheim W'brück (?)
03.18 Hptm Simon III/NJG 2 Blenheim Map Grid 2246/05 East
Z6094 can clearly be attributed to Oblt von Bonin (Houwaart being approx 16 km N Tirlemont) and as far as the two flak claims go we clearly have a case of mistaken identity (the crash near Bergen op Zoom matches with the crash site of Wellington R1349 of 12 OTU). So at first sight T2254 would have to be attributed to Hptm Simon but here we have another case of m ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 23rd December 2008 03:26:40|
|Blenheim N6207, ultimate fate.||Question for Ross,
What kind of document is Form 1180 please - would that be the accident report form?
If it is, would you mind checking if you have any info on Blenheim T2254 - she suffered a Cat "B" accident on 04.12.1940 whilst on charge of 18 Sqdn (info fm Aircraft Movement Card).
On 16.08.1941, whilst with 13 Sqn this aircraft again had a flying accident, FA(AC) on movement card.
Then on 09.03.42 a third accident (13 Sqdn) but I have the details of that as the aircraft's observer describes the incident in a letter I have.
Many thanks in advance,
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 24th April 2009 03:19:58|
|Blenheim N6207, ultimate fate.||Martin, thanks for confirming that Form 1180 is indeed the accident report card.
The RAFM however does not hold a copy of the card relating to Blenheim T2254 so I was hoping Ross might have something on that microfilm copy...
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 26th April 2009 05:33:40|
|Calling all in The Netherlands||Hi James,
In my research into 13 Sqdn Blenheim T2254 I came to know of the Hans de Haan archive via Bill Chorley who recalled that the info on T2254 in his Bomber Command Losses actually came from Mr de Haan. It took my quite a bit of searching but I finally located this archive at the NIMH (Dutch Institute for Military History) at The Hague where it ended up after a few stops. Many thanks go to fellow forumites Henk Welting and Theo Boiten for pointing me in the right direction.
I understand the archive is in the process of being catalogued and preserved but I was most lucky to obtain copies of the actual pages relating to T2254. If these pages are typical of Mr de Haan's archive then it would appear that per crash investigated he made a detail sheet giving all possible data on crash, aircraft and crew. This sheet was then backed up with cuttings /copies of the various publications he'd consulted.
As it happens, Mr de Haan got his info on T2254 from Chorley's Bomber Command Losses instead of vice versa! I was sort of hoping that Mr de Haan had a copy of the German crash report on my Blenheim of course...
Hope this bit of info is of interest.
Cheers from Belgium,
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 17th January 2010 03:15:57|
|Calling all in The Netherlands||Dear Walter
Good to hear from you again. Your work on Blenheim T2254 has been an inspiration to me. On a different slant of tenacity I am hoping that a man from my village may be identified as one of those found in the WWI mass grave at Fromelles in France. I have just made contact with living DNA. and put them in contact with the MOD.
It is fascinating what you are saying about the link between Chorley and de Haan. Certainly in the case of AE191 Chorley gives the take off time and uses the identical phrase "their bodies were committed" in relation to the deceased. It would appear that one of them used the other as a source.
It would be fantastic if Bas were able to find some original source knowledge. As many Forum users will know if we are lucky enough to receive any information from the AHB it is hard to find precise wording or source material. Obviously though they do have to protect the interests of the deceased.
NIMH sent me a typed A4 page with the details listed on my earlier post with the words "Source: Collection De Haan" written in pen at the top. They also sent a copy of what looks like an old format of CWGC information for Runnymede on the deceased.
Keep hunting for those elusive documents on T2254!
James ....Read More.||James Castle on 18th January 2010 03:33:22|
|Would they have made it to their target?||Many thanks for that brilliant bit of info Mark! So Belgium and England were in the same time zone on 25/26.06.1942 and T2254 would have been airborne for 2 hrs 49 minutes. Plenty of time to get to their target then.
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 20th January 2010 02:53:17|
|Time spent on an OTU||Hi James!
Don't know if this is of any help but Flt/Sgt Bill O'Neill (the observer of Blenheim T2254) trained in Canada and arrived at No 3 Personnel Reception Centre in Bournemouth in July 41. On August 3rd 41 he was then posted to No 42 OTU where he crewed up and trained to be posted to 13 Sqdn on October 13th 41.
No 42 OTU trained crews for Army Co-Op Command but I do not know if the length of that course would have been any different from an OTU for Bomber Command.
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 16th March 2010 01:56:24|
|13 Sqdn historian||Thanks for your input Digger, I've already been in touch with the XIII Sqdn association before
but for some odd reason I'm getting no reply re my historian query.
Bit frustrating really, I know from a chap who until recently served with XIII that the sqdn archive holds photos and docs of relevance to my ongoing research into that unit's Blenheim T2254 but I just can't seem to get in. Wrote the sqdn CO a month or two asking if we could exchange information (I have things they can't possibly have!) but no reply so far.
Oh well, been at it for seven years now so I learned patience is often rewarded!
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 15th November 2010 04:08:39|
|Dominies of No 2 SS, Yatesbury 1940||Hi Pavel,
I too have an interest in No 2 SS Dominies, developed as a sideline of my ongoing quest to document the history of 13 Sqdn Blenheim T2254 and its unfortunate crew. The Blenheim's Wop/AG Sgt Gordon Cox trained as a Wop at No 2 Signals School in Yatesbury in April/May 1941 and his logbook I find he flew in following Dominies during his stay there :
R2485 / R5922 / R 5930 / R 5980 / R5926 / R5948
So as you can see a few of the Dominies you mentioned were still in service at that time.
Actually, R5922 is a bit special in that she survived the war and subsequent civilian service and is currently being restored at the Brussels Army Museum (40 min by car - on a Sunday! - from where I live) - I can tell you it was a bit special to stand "face to face" with an aircraft that Sgt Cox had actually flown it. Here's a link giving more details on this aircraft's history and restoration :
It may also interest you to know that there is an RAF Yatesbury Association, link below :
You can contact their webmaster and archivist Bill Wauxhall via the site, he is a most helpful gentleman. We met when he passed through Belgium last year and he actually went the trouble of visiting the graves of Sgt Cox and his crewmates to put down a wreath in name of the RAF Yatesbury Association!
Can I ask why your interest in these aircraft? I would dearly like to find a photo of any of Sgt Cox's Dominies whilst serving with No 2 Signals School but sadly the RAF Yatesbury Association don't have any.
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 15th November 2010 04:29:09|
|13 Sqn ORB||Thank you Brian, I find that most intriguing. I was aware that the ORB is composed of forms 540 and 541 but assumed these were filed together at the NA, hence my question re the appendices.
When I acquired my copies fm the NA quite some years ago I had ordered copies of the ORB from that to that date and received both forms 540 and 541 though the latter only for the last few weeks of the period requested. When I enquired with the NA they explained they did not have copies of the forms 541 for the earlier date. Oddly, both the form 540 and 541 copies bear a label AIR 27 /181! Copies that I acquired for fm the 18 Sqdn ORB for late 1940 contained both 540 and 541 forms completely, all bearing the same AIR 27 / 243 label.
I will definitely get in touch with the NA to see whether those missing 541's are to be found in AIR 27 / 185B as these would help to fill a few more gaps in the history of Blenheim T2254 and its crew.
Will post the outcome in due course.
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 25th June 2011 08:30:36|
|RAF Stations Operations Record Books||Would any of you know if a station ORB would give details on aircraft accidents? From the aircraft movement card I know that Blenheim T2254 suffered 3 flying accidents in its career but the aircraft accident card did not survive (or got lost) and the squadron ORB's don't mention the accidents. I only have the details of the third accident because the Blenheim's observer wrote about it in a letter to his mum!
TIA for any input or suggestions.
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 22nd August 2011 03:25:32|
|RAF Stations Operations Record Books||Walter,
According to 'Air Britain Serials'
Bristol Blenheim IV T2254 served with 40, 18 & 13 Squadrons.
Shot down by Bf110 after night attack on Venlo, Aartselaar, Belgium, 26.6.1942
Chris ....Read More.||Chris Davies on 22nd August 2011 05:10:00|
|RAF Stations Operations Record Books||Pavel,
Thanks for your input, guess it would be worthwhile to look into the relevant station ORB's then.
Thanks for your info too. I've been researching this specific Blenheim for quite a few years now and had to find that most of the info ever published on its crash (not that there was that much published) was incomplete/incorrect.
40 Sqdn is correct but on paper only, she was re-allocated to 18 Sqdn I think on the same day so she was never actually on charge of 40 Sqdn. German documents found in the MRES casualty file indicate she was shot down by flak. No nightfighter involved (there was no matching claim to be found anyway).
By the way, you will find that most of the threads started by me on this great forum have to do with Blenheim T2254 in one way or other. The story isn't complete yet so I'm keeping on digging!
Thanks again & best rgds,
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 24th August 2011 03:04:12|
|Were non operational flights recorded?||Thank you all for your valued input, especially David for elaborating so elaborately on the Flight Authorisation Books. I would indeed have found it hard to believe that the RAF where everything seems to have been governed by administration would not have recorded these non op flights. The question is where to find these books if any have survived at all...
Pavel, the "Watch Log" you mentioned, I wonder if such a document would not have been maintained by the station command or whatever you call it rather than by an individual squadron?
In Graham Warner's Blenheim History there is a photo (actually a cine footage still) of two 13 Sqdn Blenheims during an army co-operation excercise, captioned as taken just before the August 1942 Dieppe landings. I am 99% sure that the Blenheim in the background is OO-I , "my" T2254 and that it was filmed on 23.04.42 during excercise "Beaver". The unit's ORB (only form 540 of course) just states "22.04.42 to 27.04.42 - A.A.S. (which stands for?) exercise carried out with Canadian Troops in S.E. Command, operating from Odiham. Only "B" Flight took part".
In his log book, Flt/Sgt O'Neill states 23.04.42 - Blen T2254 - Excercise "Beaver". On 23.04.42 an army co-op exercise was covered by no less than four different companies, Pathé, British Movitone, Gaumont British and one which escapes me. I have seen the footage of the former three and they all have a scene in which two Blenheims fly past very low and with their undernose sirens on. Every film has been shot from a somewhat different camera angle but the position of the two aircraft relative one another beautifully matches the still in the Warner book.
On that still the aircraft in front is OO-P so if only I could find documentary proof that both Blenheims "I" and "P" were up at the same time I would be 110% sure of my case. And I would have found an in flight photo AND footage of the Blenheim I've been doing research on for so long.
Had "B" Flight moved away from Odiham for this exercise then part of the answer would have been found in the Sqdn Movement Order (copies of which I sort of accidentally obtained from TNA) but alas, the crews spent the night at home.
The search goes on!
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 31st May 2012 03:24:07|
|AIR BRITAIN File T1000 - T9999||Firstly a very happy New Year to you all!
I only just found out about those Air Britain books listing all RAF serial nos and wondered if they could add anything new to my research into Blenheim T2254.
So if any of you have a copy of the T serials book I'd appreciate very much if you could let me know what it says about "my" Blenheim, T2254.
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 4th January 2013 07:58:22|
|AIR BRITAIN File T1000 - T9999||Hi Walter.
Information from the T-File as follows:
Missing (Venlo) 26-06-42
Hope this helps
Iain ....Read More.||hurri600 on 4th January 2013 08:05:03|
|AIR BRITAIN File T1000 - T9999||Iain, that was fast, thanks so much for checking but adds nothing new. T2254 was only assigned to 40 Sqn on paper by the way, it was changed to 18 Sqn the same day (cfr Aircraft Movement Card).
Dick, thank you too but I have the Warner book and the night fighter interception is incorrect - German death cards in the casualty file (kept at the AHB) attribute the crash to FLAK. This made sense because non of the night fighter claims matched. The majority of my threads on this great forum have to do with T2254 one way or another by the way and you can find all my findings in there if of interest.
Thanks again to you both,
Walter ....Read More.||Walter Lindekens on 4th January 2013 10:38:44|