|WW2 Hurricane Crash Great Wilbraham 1940||Looking for some info concerning the above Hurricane that crashed in bad weather sometime in September 1940 near the village of Great Wilbraham near Cambridge. The pilot was A C 2 Albert Pike and the aircraft came from Duxford.
What I'd like to know is anymore details, such as the exact date it crashed, the squadron it was flying with and what became of Z3082 afterwards - as i believe it was recovered intact. A photo of '3082 would be the icing on the cake.
Thanks in advance,
Rob ....Read More.||Robbo1966 on 7th September 2017 03:51:23|
|WW2 Hurricane Crash Great Wilbraham 1940||Hello,
As to the fate of Hurricane Z3082, the following is known:
Hurricane II 3082
Pilot was making practice attacks on a Wellington aircraft and attacked too steeply, he failed to pull out and crashed at Hall Farm, Great Wilbraham, Cambridgeshire.
R61077 F/Sgt Malcolm Bruce INNES RCAF +
Col. ....Read More.||COL BRUGGY on 7th September 2017 06:58:56|
|WW2 Hurricane Crash Great Wilbraham 1940||I think this is a confusion of memory/events rather than two crashes of the same aircraft in the same location.
If you look at the supposed link of Z3082 to Sept 1940 then it would be very unlikely for an AC2 to be flying this type during the BoB. There was only one crash of a Hurricane V7405 at Duxford 10th Sept 1940 with an AC2 at the controls but this was a flight by an unauthorised Czech ground crew who was AC2 A Pastor 787057.
I suggest the prop tip and photo are of the 1941 crash but the letter relates to a different accident.
Another point fo consider is that the 1941 aircraft was part of a 1000 batch delivered between Aug 1940 and July 1941 - making it possible that the airframe had not been completed in early Sept - the Form 78 from RAF Museum will confirm exact date TOS.
Ross ....Read More.||Ross_McNeill on 9th September 2017 05:16:55|
|WW2 Hurricane Crash Great Wilbraham 1940||Looking further into the units that Z3082 served with - the first unit from AB was No.3 Sqn. in Sept 1940 this unit was in north Scotland rearming after losses in France so even if the airframe was in RAF service in early Sept 1940 then it would be located distant from Duxford and again an AC2 would not be the Ferry Pilot if the incident was pre delivery.
Note the date the unit changed from Hurricane I to Hurricane II
Ross ....Read More.||Ross_McNeill on 9th September 2017 07:06:31|
|WW2 Hurricane Crash Great Wilbraham 1940||Having excluded Z3082 from crashing and listed the only AC2 piloted crash in earlySept 1940 there are no other non Flying Battle losses listed in the Form 1180 held at RAF Museum for a similar event/injury
Air Ministry orders from June 1940 gave the minimum rank of Sgt to all qualified aircrew so this precludes an AC2 being anything on an aircraft other than a passenger, thief or very basic trainee.
My inclination is that the letter regarding first aid training was for help rendered to a local road traffic accident rather than a flying crash.
Best way forward is a trip to Kew to view the RAF Station Duxford ORBs to see if any mention for SSQ or other admission.
More chance picking up a reference in these than the individual squadron ORBs
Ross ....Read More.||Ross_McNeill on 10th September 2017 03:03:13|
|WW2 Hurricane Crash Great Wilbraham 1940||Not Z3082 in Sept 1940.
i have not seen the Form 78 from RAF Museum Hendon but I will assure you that Z3082 did not reach No.3 Squadron service until MarchApril 1941 - it's first sortie was on 17th April 1941 with Sgt Todd from Martlesham Heath.
I strongly suspect that Z3082 was not delivered to the RAF until Feb/March 1941.
Email DoRIS at Hendon and ask for a copy of the Form 78 for Z3082 then post the delivery and unit TOC dates.
Ross ....Read More.||Ross_McNeill on 10th September 2017 03:26:50|
|WW2 Hurricane Crash Great Wilbraham 1940||The initial suggestion of it being Hurricane MkII Z3082 came from the book 'War Torn Skies Cambridgeshire', as it apparently crashed at Great Wilbraham in bad weather. Of course this could relate to the second accident mentioned in 1941, which would leave us still without a clear i.d for the prop tip / Pike getting shot Hurricane story.
Rob ....Read More.||Robbo1966 on 10th September 2017 03:35:42|
|WW2 Hurricane Crash Great Wilbraham 1940||So
We have two separate incidents approx. 12 months apart in the same area.
I assume that the propeller tip came from the same incident that resulted in AC2 Pike's gun shot accident in Sept 1940 while guarding the plane.
So we are looking for a Plane crash in Cambridgeshire in Summer 1940 (possibly Hurricane)
Another Hurricane Z3082 crashed in the same locality in December 1941 but had nothing to do with the first incident.
Paul ....Read More.||paulmcmillan on 11th September 2017 04:01:07|
|WW2 Hurricane Crash Great Wilbraham 1940||As it now appears not to be Z3082, can one of the mods change the title to WW2 Hurricane Crash Great Wilbraham.
Rob ....Read More.||Robbo1966 on 11th September 2017 06:38:57|