|3 x RNZAF KIA - info sought||Rick,
Firstly, please see the moderator's sticky re the disreputable 'lost bombers' site.
Now, re Anderson:
From my trilogy 'For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915 (Volume One: Fates 1915-1942)':
Wed 16/Thu 17 Sep 1942
Raid on Essen, Germany (by 369 aircraft - 41 lost) ...
7 Squadron, RAF (Oakington, Cambridgeshire - [PFF] 3 Group)
Stirling I W7569/D - took off at 2005 on same raid as the above, and believed to have been damaged by flak before falling into the Ijsselmeer. All seven crew died, their bodies later washing ashore or being recovered from the water. The New Zealanders are buried at Lemmer and the others at Amsterdam.
Captain: NZ411377 Plt Off Ben DALLENGER, RNZAF - Age 23. 458hrs. 11th op.
Navigator: NZ41540 Flt Sgt Donald Trevor LAMB, RNZAF - Age 20. 294hrs. 5th op.
WOpAG: NZ411741 Sgt Ronald Hugh CRABTREE, RNZAF - Age 24. 215hrs. 9th op.
WOpAG: NZ41617 Sgt William James ANDERSON, RNZAF - Age 23. 160hrs.
Rear Gunner: NZ404547 Sgt Harry Oldfield GODDARD, RNZAF - Age 27. 187hrs. 5th op.
And from Vol Three (Biographies & Appendices):
ANDERSON, Sergeant William James.
NZ41617; b New Brighton 16 Oct 18; Chch THS; welder/cutter - Booth MacDonald & Co, Chch. RNZAF Levin/ITW as Air Gunner u/t 19 Jan 41, emb for Canada 27 Feb 41, att RCAF 16 Mar 41, 3WS 19 Mar 41 [hosp 24 Jun-7 Jul], 6BGS 4 Aug 41, Air Gunners Badge & remust as Wireless Operator/Air Gunner & Sgt 1 Sep 41, by Stranraer flying boat from Ottawa to Halifax 4 Sep 41, 1 Y Depôt 8 Sep 41, att RAF & emb for UK 18 Sep 41, 3PRC 28 Sep 41, 2SS 10 Oct 41, 11OTU (Wellington) 25 Nov 41, 7CF (Stirling) 21 Jul 42, 7 Sqn (Stirling - 5 ops) 27 Aug 42, kao 17 Sep 42. Lemsterland (Lemmer) General Cemetery - C.9.243, Friesland, Netherlands. Son of William Stevenson & Catherine Strath Anderson (née McArthur), Harewood, Chch. [phot. TWN 6.1.43].
From Vol Two (Fates: 1943-1998):
Mon 22/Tue 23 May 1944
Raid on Dortmund, Germany (by 361 Lancasters & 14 Mosquitoes - 19 lost)
75 (NZ) Squadron, RAF (Mepal, Cambridgeshire - 3 Group)
Lancaster I ME690/Z - took off at 2249 and shot down by a night-fighter over Belgium, disintegrating in mid-air. The wreckage fell over a wide area north and south of the Maas and Schelde Canal, and 2km east of the Eindhoven-Hasselt road near Neerpelt. The bodies of the captain and two others were found near the main wreckage and buried on the 25th at St Trond airfield. Their four comrades were recovered later, three being buried at Neerpelt and the fourth at Overpelt. All seven were later reinterred at Heverlee, near Louvain.
Captain: NZ417016 Plt Off Edgar Lawrence BURKE, RNZAF - Age 26. 608hrs.
And Vol Three:
BURKE, Pilot Officer Edgar Lawrence.
NZ417016; b Manaia 10 Mar 18; Manaia Convent; dairy farmer - father's farm at Manaia. RNZAF Levin/ITW as Airman Pilot u/t 20 Dec 41, 2EFTS 4 Apr 4 ....Read More.||Errol Martyn on 9th August 2010 06:35:52|
|Number of Hurricanes ferried to Ceylon by Indomitable||Graham,
There seems to be little doubt that there were 10 Mark I’s. I can account for maybe seven of them:
-258 Sqn’s ORB and other sources note that on 5 April it scrambled a flight of nine Mark II’s and a flight of five Mark I’s. The serial numbers of the latter were Z4247, Z4227, Z4372, Z4983 and, supposedly, Z7711, but Halley says the latter was a Blenheim IV.
-261 Sqn’s CO, Sqn Ldr Lewis, was flying Z4961 when shot down. One source says this was a Mark 1, another says it was a IIA. If it was a IIA then it’s the only one I’ve identified.
-the China Bay station commander flew 261 Sqn’s Z4762 to a satellite field on 9 April. This was a Mark I.
As for why some of the 60 Hurricanes were Mk I’s, I agree with what you say about the drawbacks of including them along with the more numerous Mark II’s. From AIR 8/881, which has been kindly provided to me by “Tom from Cornwall” very recently, from [I]Hurricanes Over the Sands[/I], and from the ORBs, it looks like 30 and 261 squadrons flew their Mark Is to No.108 M.U. before leaving Egypt and were given 36 Mark IIB’s, flown overland from Takoradi, when they got to Port Sudan. However, on 17 February Portal told Tedder to get as many Hurricanes on Indomitable as would fit. Apparently there were only another 14 Mark II’s on hand, also flown in from Takoradi I think, so 10 Mark I’s from the Middle East were embarked, since 60 dismantled Hurricanes could be squeezed aboard the carrier. I expect that nothing but Mark II’s would have been sent if 60 of them could have been got to Port Sudan in time but apparently that was not possible. ....Read More.||Rob Stuart on 1st October 2013 10:13:56|
|Number of Hurricanes ferried to Ceylon by Indomitable||Z4247
all Gloster built Mk I BUT all converted toMk II
cheers Peter ....Read More.||PeterColwill on 2nd October 2013 09:24:57|
|Number of Hurricanes ferried to Ceylon by Indomitable||Graham, thanks for the info. I’ve added that book to my “to buy” list now.
Drew, thanks for your post. I wasn’t aware that 261 Sqn had Z5620 on its strength. Perhaps it was the aircraft which Bloody Shambles vol. 2 says was lost in an accident on 7 April or the one which WO Griffin damaged on 5 April by taxying into a ditch. I don’t have a serial number for either of these. ‘227’ would be BE227, flown on 9 April by Sgt Lockwood and shot down. ‘676’ would be BG676, flown on 9 April by Sgt Bowie and also shot down. Does Sgt Pearce’s log say what time he took off from Indomitable?
Col Bruggy, many thanks. Recording ‘V7711’ in the ORB as ‘Z7711’ would be a more likely error than the one I suggested in my last post. I don’t have Halley’s volume which includes the V---- serials (and no longer have the one for the Z---- series which I had borrowed a while ago), but the website at [url]http://www.k5083.mistral.co.uk/APS.HTM[/url] gives V7711 as one of 1250 Mark I’s produced by Gloster starting in July 1940 – along with Z4227, Z4247, Z4372 and Z4783. This source says that only 29 of these Mark I’s were converted to Mark II’s. It also says that the converted aircraft were all re-serialled. If V7711 was one of the 29 converted aircraft and it’s new serial number was Z5661 this would explain things, but [url]http://www.k5083.mistral.co.uk/APS.HTM[/url] implies that Z5649 - Z5693 were Mk. IIB Hurricanes built by Gloster.
Would anyone know if Z4783 and V7711 were converted to Mark II’s? It would be somewhat surprising if they weren’t, since they were grouped with Z4247, Z4227 and Z4372, presumably due to having similar performance. ....Read More.||Rob Stuart on 14th October 2013 06:41:38|