View Full Version : SAAF Name Updates C/O Record of King Edward VII School Johannesburg
paulmcmillan
11th March 2022, 08:46
Baltimore IIIa FA115 21 Sqn SAAF Lost 06 May 1943
Full Name of Pilot was
Capt. Alfred George Macrae Budd 102811
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/serials/details.php?uniq=FA115
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2103862/a-g-macr-budd/
paulmcmillan
11th March 2022, 09:31
Raymond Amyas John Hardwick 543083V 31 October 1944
Hurricane SAAF 5342
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=19140
Full Name : CWGC only has Raymond Hardwick
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/993982/hardwick,-raymond/
Hobson has
Name: Raymond Amyas John Hardwick
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Death Date: 31 Oct 1944
Service Number: 543083v
Command: South Africa
Ship: Hurricane
Occupation: Pilot
Casualty: Killed whilst flying
Burial Place: Thaba Tshwane New Military Cemetery, Gauteng, South Africa
Notes: Crashed Near Pretoria
paulmcmillan
11th March 2022, 15:20
Frank Edgar Hatfield - 207430 27 July 1941
Anson I SAAF 1118
Name confirmed by Marriage and Estate Records in South Africa
Not just Frank Hatfield
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=79429
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/991417/hatfield,-frank/
paulmcmillan
14th March 2022, 08:38
Guilford / Guildford Clarence Ralph JENKINS 103968 24 January 1942.
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=84786
His School records have him as Guildford Clarence Ralph Jenkins
his probate says Guildford (or Guilford)
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2937339/jenkins,-guilford-clarence-ralph/
paulmcmillan
14th March 2022, 08:55
Charles Ferdinand Kallenbach 103324V 12 September 1944
School records have Charles Ferdinand Kallenbach
So do all records on FamilySearch including marriage, death and probate
RAF Commands has
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=24405
Lieutenant Charles KALLENBACK (103324V) of the South African Air Force
Circumstances of Death: Charles FERDINAND kallenback was killed in an aircraft crash near zwartkop airfield
Geni has Charles Ferdinand Kallenbach
CWCG
LIEUTENANT
CHARLES KALLENBACK
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/992265/charles-kallenback/
https://www.geni.com/people/Charles-Kallenbach/6000000005951104166
September 12, 1944 (Died in aircraft accident, in Lockheed PV-1 Ventura Mk V #6466) -- Updates circumstances of death with Aircraft serial
South Africans Graves Charles Ferdinand Kallenbach
http://www.southafricawargraves.org/search/details.php?id=11739
paulmcmillan
14th March 2022, 09:50
Missing entry CWGC ??
Record of King Edward VII School Johannesburg has
Lieut. Rex Distin Martienssen SAAF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Distin_Martienssen
"Because of his early death while training as a lieutenant in the South African Air Force in World War II,"
Date of death 23 August 1942
Died Military Hospital Voortrekkerhoogte, Pretoria 23 August 1942
Occupation Lieutuant Launec? 1131R Military College Voortrekkerhoogte assume
1131R service number ?
Launec? unclear..
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9L-YKM7?i=1176&cc=2520237
Cause Coronary Selena
Contributory Cause: Influzenza
Duration Several years
NOT ON CWGC
NOT ON South African Graves
Maybe Should be added to Missing Airman ?
paulmcmillan
14th March 2022, 10:13
Lt Allister Mackintosh Miller, DFC (U.S.A.) 01 March 1944 205831V
"Lieutenant A. Mack MILLER (205831V) of the South African Air Force"
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1810840/a-mack-miller/
Mosquito LR466 80 Sqdn
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=29747
This was his father
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allister_Miller
paulmcmillan
14th March 2022, 10:25
Lt Robert Terence Edmund Morrison 103696 10 September 1942
Boston III AL289
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=95537
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2115218/morrison,-/
paulmcmillan
15th March 2022, 09:31
DORRIEN LE TALL /LE' TALL / NORTON SAAF 103656
School has
Dorrien le Tall Norton
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=99490
LIEUTENANT DORRIEN NORTON Service Number: 103656
Died 10 December 1942
Oxford I SAAF 3584
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/992280/norton,-dorrien/
DORRIEN LETALL NORTON
http://www.southafricawargraves.org/search/details.php?id=18986
All FamilySearch records including Marriage and Probate have
DORRIEN LE TALL NORTON
or
DORRIEN LE'TALL NORTON
paulmcmillan
15th March 2022, 09:40
Hugh William Nottingham 97291V 13 July 1943 Baltimore II AG917
School records: Hugh William Nottingham - They would take these kind of details down correctly in their records
Not
Hugh Williams Nottingham
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=99531
Death Notice, Marriage notice Probate etc on FamilySearch all confirm Hugh William Nottingham
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLY1-8C8X
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-CXSD-Z3?i=54&cc=1837900&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPZL-NMLP
CWGC Incorrect
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2240466/hugh-williams-nottingham/
So SA Graves
http://www.southafricawargraves.org/search/details.php?id=19003
paulmcmillan
15th March 2022, 09:46
David Weir Orchison
175697V 09 January 1945
Ventura V SAAF 6439
School records David Weir Orchison not just David Orchison
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=34241
Probate and other records confirm full name as
David Weir Orchison
SA Graves
David W Orchison
http://www.southafricawargraves.org/search/details.php?id=19434
paulmcmillan
15th March 2022, 15:36
Lieutenant Harold Chadwick PALMER (82436V) of the South African Air Force
Liberator EV946
Death of Death 1944-06-12 Age : 26 years.
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=34639
I am leaving this here by his name is a bit complicated - he was born John Harold Chadwick Palmer born 19th March 1917
However his father also Harold Chadwick Palmer died 1918 - so that is maybe when he became Harold Chadwick Palmer
His mother remarried and became Beatrice Cooke Palmer MacGregor
At school he was Harold McGregor Palmer but really should have been Harold MacGregor Palmer - so taking stepfathers name as middle name
His probate say Harold Chadwick Palmer
paulmcmillan
16th March 2022, 09:26
John Ewart Phelps 102130 12 December 1941 Maryland aircraft 1614
NOT John Edwart PHELPS
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=102525
Find a Grave confirms
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/14706014/john-ewart-phelps
As does probate on family search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP8K-4YMP
paulmcmillan
16th March 2022, 09:35
Thomas Robert Frederick Rose-Price 98373
Died at Johannesburg General Hospital
Death of Death 1941-05-21 Age : 26 years.
Thomas Robert Frederick Rose-Price School Record
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=107209
Probate
Thomas Robert Frederick Rose Price
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP82-RGZF
Thomas Rose-Price CWGC
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/992287/thomas-rose-price/
Thomas Robert Frederick Rose-Price South African Graves
http://www.southafricawargraves.org/search/details.php?id=21845
paulmcmillan
16th March 2022, 10:32
Lieutenant Aage Macdonald Thomsen 206469V 21 February 1945 Baltimore V FW822
Previously just Lieutenant A. Mac. D. THOMSEN (206469V)
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=45247
paulmcmillan
16th March 2022, 10:36
Lieut. John Brunton White SAAF 47510 17 June 1943 Hurricane I Z4422
Not John Burton White
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=120928
Name confirmed on Findagrave and Probate in South Africa
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGFZ-XCHH
paulmcmillan
16th March 2022, 10:43
Just a note for
Lt Joscelyn Albert Tudor Steele SAAF 103554V 02 March 1945 Liberator EW207
The school has him as Joscelyn Tudor Albert Steele - But probate including Will has Joscelyn Albert Tudor Steele (which he signed ) so will go with Joscelyn Albert Tudor Steele
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=43137
It looks like he did move his middle name around a bit as his marriage has Joscelyn Tudor Albert Steele
and on the probate of his mother in 1950 he is listed as Albert Joscelyn Tudor Steele Morrison (deceased)
he is J A T STEELE on CWGC
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1533332/j-a-t-steele/
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