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paulmcmillan
11th March 2022, 08:46
Baltimore IIIa FA115 21 Sqn SAAF Lost 06 May 1943

Full Name of Pilot was

Capt. Alfred George Macrae Budd 102811

http://www.rafcommands.com/database/serials/details.php?uniq=FA115

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2103862/a-g-macr-budd/

paulmcmillan
11th March 2022, 09:31
Raymond Amyas John Hardwick 543083V 31 October 1944

Hurricane SAAF 5342

http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=19140

Full Name : CWGC only has Raymond Hardwick

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/993982/hardwick,-raymond/

Hobson has

Name: Raymond Amyas John Hardwick
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Death Date: 31 Oct 1944
Service Number: 543083v
Command: South Africa
Ship: Hurricane
Occupation: Pilot
Casualty: Killed whilst flying
Burial Place: Thaba Tshwane New Military Cemetery, Gauteng, South Africa
Notes: Crashed Near Pretoria

paulmcmillan
11th March 2022, 15:20
Frank Edgar Hatfield - 207430 27 July 1941

Anson I SAAF 1118


Name confirmed by Marriage and Estate Records in South Africa



Not just Frank Hatfield

http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=79429

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/991417/hatfield,-frank/

paulmcmillan
14th March 2022, 08:38
Guilford / Guildford Clarence Ralph JENKINS 103968 24 January 1942.



http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=84786

His School records have him as Guildford Clarence Ralph Jenkins

his probate says Guildford (or Guilford)



https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2937339/jenkins,-guilford-clarence-ralph/

paulmcmillan
14th March 2022, 08:55
Charles Ferdinand Kallenbach 103324V 12 September 1944

School records have Charles Ferdinand Kallenbach


So do all records on FamilySearch including marriage, death and probate

RAF Commands has


http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=24405


Lieutenant Charles KALLENBACK (103324V) of the South African Air Force

Circumstances of Death: Charles FERDINAND kallenback was killed in an aircraft crash near zwartkop airfield


Geni has Charles Ferdinand Kallenbach


CWCG

LIEUTENANT
CHARLES KALLENBACK

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/992265/charles-kallenback/


https://www.geni.com/people/Charles-Kallenbach/6000000005951104166


September 12, 1944 (Died in aircraft accident, in Lockheed PV-1 Ventura Mk V #6466) -- Updates circumstances of death with Aircraft serial

South Africans Graves Charles Ferdinand Kallenbach
http://www.southafricawargraves.org/search/details.php?id=11739

paulmcmillan
14th March 2022, 09:50
Missing entry CWGC ??

Record of King Edward VII School Johannesburg has

Lieut. Rex Distin Martienssen SAAF


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Distin_Martienssen

"Because of his early death while training as a lieutenant in the South African Air Force in World War II,"

Date of death 23 August 1942


Died Military Hospital Voortrekkerhoogte, Pretoria 23 August 1942

Occupation Lieutuant Launec? 1131R Military College Voortrekkerhoogte assume
1131R service number ?

Launec? unclear..

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9L-YKM7?i=1176&cc=2520237

Cause Coronary Selena
Contributory Cause: Influzenza

Duration Several years

NOT ON CWGC

NOT ON South African Graves

Maybe Should be added to Missing Airman ?

paulmcmillan
14th March 2022, 10:13
Lt Allister Mackintosh Miller, DFC (U.S.A.) 01 March 1944 205831V

"Lieutenant A. Mack MILLER (205831V) of the South African Air Force"


https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1810840/a-mack-miller/

Mosquito LR466 80 Sqdn
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=29747




This was his father



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allister_Miller

paulmcmillan
14th March 2022, 10:25
Lt Robert Terence Edmund Morrison 103696 10 September 1942



Boston III AL289


http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=95537


https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2115218/morrison,-/

paulmcmillan
15th March 2022, 09:31
DORRIEN LE TALL /LE' TALL / NORTON SAAF 103656
School has
Dorrien le Tall Norton



http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=99490


LIEUTENANT DORRIEN NORTON Service Number: 103656
Died 10 December 1942
Oxford I SAAF 3584

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/992280/norton,-dorrien/



DORRIEN LETALL NORTON

http://www.southafricawargraves.org/search/details.php?id=18986

All FamilySearch records including Marriage and Probate have

DORRIEN LE TALL NORTON

or

DORRIEN LE'TALL NORTON

paulmcmillan
15th March 2022, 09:40
Hugh William Nottingham 97291V 13 July 1943 Baltimore II AG917

School records: Hugh William Nottingham - They would take these kind of details down correctly in their records



Not

Hugh Williams Nottingham



http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=99531




Death Notice, Marriage notice Probate etc on FamilySearch all confirm Hugh William Nottingham

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLY1-8C8X

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-CXSD-Z3?i=54&cc=1837900&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPZL-NMLP



CWGC Incorrect

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2240466/hugh-williams-nottingham/

So SA Graves

http://www.southafricawargraves.org/search/details.php?id=19003

paulmcmillan
15th March 2022, 09:46
David Weir Orchison



175697V 09 January 1945

Ventura V SAAF 6439

School records David Weir Orchison not just David Orchison



http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=34241

Probate and other records confirm full name as
David Weir Orchison


SA Graves

David W Orchison

http://www.southafricawargraves.org/search/details.php?id=19434

paulmcmillan
15th March 2022, 15:36
Lieutenant Harold Chadwick PALMER (82436V) of the South African Air Force

Liberator EV946
Death of Death 1944-06-12 Age : 26 years.


http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=34639


I am leaving this here by his name is a bit complicated - he was born John Harold Chadwick Palmer born 19th March 1917

However his father also Harold Chadwick Palmer died 1918 - so that is maybe when he became Harold Chadwick Palmer

His mother remarried and became Beatrice Cooke Palmer MacGregor

At school he was Harold McGregor Palmer but really should have been Harold MacGregor Palmer - so taking stepfathers name as middle name

His probate say Harold Chadwick Palmer

paulmcmillan
16th March 2022, 09:26
John Ewart Phelps 102130 12 December 1941 Maryland aircraft 1614


NOT John Edwart PHELPS

http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=102525


Find a Grave confirms


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/14706014/john-ewart-phelps

As does probate on family search

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP8K-4YMP

paulmcmillan
16th March 2022, 09:35
Thomas Robert Frederick Rose-Price 98373



Died at Johannesburg General Hospital


Death of Death 1941-05-21 Age : 26 years.


Thomas Robert Frederick Rose-Price School Record


http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=107209


Probate

Thomas Robert Frederick Rose Price

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP82-RGZF


Thomas Rose-Price CWGC

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/992287/thomas-rose-price/


Thomas Robert Frederick Rose-Price South African Graves

http://www.southafricawargraves.org/search/details.php?id=21845

paulmcmillan
16th March 2022, 10:32
Lieutenant Aage Macdonald Thomsen 206469V 21 February 1945 Baltimore V FW822

Previously just Lieutenant A. Mac. D. THOMSEN (206469V)

http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=45247

paulmcmillan
16th March 2022, 10:36
Lieut. John Brunton White SAAF 47510 17 June 1943 Hurricane I Z4422

Not John Burton White
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=120928

Name confirmed on Findagrave and Probate in South Africa


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGFZ-XCHH

paulmcmillan
16th March 2022, 10:43
Just a note for

Lt Joscelyn Albert Tudor Steele SAAF 103554V 02 March 1945 Liberator EW207

The school has him as Joscelyn Tudor Albert Steele - But probate including Will has Joscelyn Albert Tudor Steele (which he signed ) so will go with Joscelyn Albert Tudor Steele




http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=43137

It looks like he did move his middle name around a bit as his marriage has Joscelyn Tudor Albert Steele

and on the probate of his mother in 1950 he is listed as Albert Joscelyn Tudor Steele Morrison (deceased)


he is J A T STEELE on CWGC


https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1533332/j-a-t-steele/