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    Hi all,

    I posted a similar request about these crashes on the old RAF Commands forum a few years ago but can't seem to locate the the thread, I also seem to have mislaid my notes.

    I have a record of three Hurricane crashes which all crashed on the same date from the same unit:

    06.12.42
    Hawker Hurricane I P3855 55 O.T.U. Annan
    (pilot unknown)
    Aircraft crashed into Cocklades Plaster Works, Carlisle, Cumberland

    06.12.42
    Hawker Hurricane I N3855 55 O.T.U. Annan
    R121355 Sgt R H Jones (Can) Injured
    Aircraft flew into cloud-covered high ground 2 miles south of Langholm, Dumfreisshire.

    06.12.42
    Hawker Hurricane I R4232 55 O.T.U. Annan
    1315125 Sgt Cecil Robert Frank Shackell pilot (K)
    Aircraft flew into cloud-covered high ground 2 miles south of Langholm, Dumfreisshire.

    I suspect N3855 and P3855 are one and the same, but their crash locations? Where did R4232 crash?

    I suspect P3855 is an error and should be N3855 which I know crashed 2m south of Langholm. But what about R4232? Was this the aircraft which crashed at Cocklades Plater Works? or did it crash with N3855?

    Many thanks,
    Jim Corbett

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    Robertson reports N3855 as a Miles Magister, P3855 as a Hurricane..

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    Thanks for the reply Bill. The Form 1180 clearly states the serial is N3855.

    Can anyone confirm? In the past when this has occurred 9 times out of 10 the leading letter has been the aircrafts fuselage code, so P3855 could have been coded N.

    Thanks,
    Jim Corbett

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    It looks like you have quite a big mix up here.

    I have P3855 as Old Irvine Fm, Langholm, Sgt Jones injured. The serial was quoted in the ORB with an N, and I have often seen the same details in ORBs and 1180s so it looks like a mistake.
    Shackll's death was registered in the Border district of Cumberland.

    The various ORB entires are:

    December 6th 1942, “Flying accident to Hurricane R4232 at Cumberland (Map ref Y9373)
    Pilot: 1315125 Sgt C.R.F. Shackell, killed. Cause unknown.
    Flying accident to Hurricane N3855 at O/Irving Farm, 2 miles South Langholm, Dumfriesshire. Pilot: R121355 Sgt R.H. Jones, injured. Cause of accident, the weather deteriorated and the pilot became lost and eventually crashed into a hillside.”

    December 6th 1942, “1315125 Sgt Pilot Shackell killed in flying accident 3 miles south of Carlisle. Body brought to station mortuary.”

    December 6th 1942, “Information received that aircraft from Longtown crashed in hills near Langholm. Civil Police and Station Duty Officer state too dangerous to send search party.
    Search party from SSQ proceeded but failed to locate crash. Weather foul.”

    December 7th 1942, “R121355 Sgt Pilot Jones, pilot of aircraft (Hurricane) from Longtown which crashed previous evening, admitted SSQ with concussion and grazes.”
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    http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/

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    Great Alan,

    Just the info I was looking for.

    I'm working with some locals to document the crashes around Newcastleton, Bewcastle and Langholm. Do you have any info of accidents around these areas?

    I have several unidentified sites which I have yet to link to a particular crash.

    Many thanks,

    Jim
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    I have one or two anomolies between the recorded locations in ORBs / 1180s and the detah registrations.
    Alan Clark

    Peak District Air Accident Research

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    Hi Alan,

    Any chance you could email them to me and I'll see if anything matches what I have?

    Thanks,
    Jim Corbett

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    This was your old thread

    http://www.rafcommands.com/dcforum/DCForumID6/Data/4849.txt

    You need to use google to search in the archives, theres been a few threads lately

    search for this string of words in google

    P3855 site:rafcommands.com

    unfortunately the old forum threads are not easy to read any more due some lost formating.
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