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    In August 1942 No.34 O.T.U., Pennfield Ridge, New Brunswick (Canada) moved its Armament Training Flight to No.34 O.T.U. Detachement, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia for a period of time. The movement order gives a listing of RAFVR ground crew members by service number and ranks only. Is there a way to identify their complete names? I've checked the London Gazette so any other ideas would be appreciated.

    GB1232051 ENST, LAC. C.H.
    GB513169 SMITH, Cpl. J.R.
    GB550094 BEER, Sgt. D.A.
    GB519215 MacQUEEN, Sgt.
    GB1200362 ECKTON, LAC. J.
    GB948919 SUTHERLAND, LAC.
    GB1145515 BOWERS, AC.
    GB1015083 CAUNT, LAC.
    GB1049551 PRICE, LAC.
    GB1558771 RITCHIE, AC.
    GB953931 CORNLEY, LAC.
    GB1107483 BODDY, AC.
    GB1429725 WESTWOOD, AC.
    GB1287183 CHESHIRE, LAC.
    GB14804498 FAIRBROTHER, AC.
    GB1451786 BAILEY, AC.
    GB1382340 BOWLES, AC.
    GB956123 EVERALL, LAC.
    GB1045194 CORDEN, LAC.
    GB1508585 SUTCLIFFE, AC.
    GB531581 TULLY, Sgt. J.
    GB1357334 GARROD, LAC. M.
    GB1045194 BEATY, AC1.
    GB1379981 HUGHES, LAC. L.
    GB1275339 PROTHERO, AC1. W.T.
    GB246332 FENWICK, F/S.
    GB614657 PARRINGTON, Sgt.
    GB574491 BOREHAN, Cpl.
    GB996143 GRANEEK, Cpl. R.
    GB610164 BELL, AC1.
    GB539017 BEDWELL, AC1. J.F.
    GB973672 BENTLEY, LAC.
    GB1122951 BEAUMONT, LAC.
    GB634516 CROSBIE, LAC.
    GB1024337 CATHERALL, AC1. L.
    GB1026469 HIBBERT, AC1.
    GB1129746 McKENNA, AC1.
    GB1110795 PRENTICE, LAC.
    GB1208176 SHOTTER, LAC.
    GB1088062 TROTTER, LAC.
    GB1386804 TYFA, AC1.
    GB1576012 WALKER, LAC.
    GB990687 WALKER, LAC.
    GB1373059 WILSON, AC1.
    GB1275041 WITTON, AC1.
    GB1101413 WOODCOCK, LAC.
    GB974225 GILL, LAC.
    GB1533263 THOMPSON, AC2.
    GB1508196 PALLIS, AC2.
    GB1478290 GREGORY, AC2.
    GB646252 RICHARDSON, LAC.
    GB1215458 HANSI, AC1.
    GB1476070 MAYBERRY, AC1.
    GB626599 MORGAN, LAC.
    GB1090317 SUTTCLIFFE, AC1.
    GB1202974 STONELEIGH, AC1.
    GB1178214 THOMAS, LAC.
    GB1498045 TURNER, AC2.
    GB1016182 TULLOCK, LAC.
    GB1241089 BRADLEY, AC1.
    GB1047337 JONES, AC1.
    GB1502066 MORGAN, AC2.
    GB757548 DEALEY, Cpl.
    GB1479228 ANGRAVE, AC2.
    GB1477532 TIPPING, AC2.

    Regards,
    Christian
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    I'm surprised there were so many RAF groundcrew at an RCAF station, are you sure they were all Groundcrew? Either way, you could try the Commonwealth War Graves Commission online search. Regardless of them being air or groundcrew if any were killed they will appear there. Just type in 'CWGC' in a search engine..

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    Airman 1,
    I have always understood that 34 OTU was an RAF unit, at least in its first year or two. However like many of these training units in Canada with identification number beginning with "3" it may well have been "Dominionised" before its disbandment. Its main function in the early days (at least in 1942) seemed to be training Ventura crews for the 2 Group Squadrons located in the UK.
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    Yes, all the 3x and 4x training schools in Canada started as RAF units. In many cases, complete schools were transferred from the UK and renumbered after arriving in Canada. The transfer to the RCAF was a gradual process, and even after the schools were officially transferred most remained focused on training UK students, and retained a large portion of RAF staff.

    As an example, 31 SFTS at Kingston, Ontario started life as 7 SFTS, RAF at Peterborough in the UK. The complete school staff, less aircraft, transferred to Canada in late 1940 and became 31 SFTS. It specialized in training FAA pilots, mostly from the UK, but from all the Dominions as well. When the BCATP started to wind down in mid and late 1944, 14 SFTS, RCAF moved from nearby Aylmer in August 1944 and merged with 31 SFTS. The resulting unit retained the 14 SFTS name, but continued as a mostly UK staffed unit, training FAA pilots up to August 1945.

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    Hi Airman1, Bill & David:

    No.34 OTU was an RAF unit with mostly RAF staff, ground service personnel, etc.

    The Daily Dairy of No.34 Operational Training Unit (Yarmouth, NS) contains the following entry: "The first echelon of No.34 OPERATIONAL TRAINING UNIT under the command of GROUP CAPTAIN A.C. EVANS-EVANS sailed from GOUROCK, SCOTLAND in R.A.F. Transport "M/S BATORY" p.m. 8th April, 1942, and docked, after a comfortable and uneventful voyage, at HALIFAX, N.S. p.m. 16th April, 1942." No.34 OTU was at Yarmouth, NS from 18 April 1942 until 27 May 1942 at which point it moved to Pennfield Ridge, New Brunswick and remained there until 19 May 1944.

    G/C A.C. Evans-Evans (GB1908) was the first commanding officer (9 April 1942-6 Feb 1943) and was followed by G/C A. Leach (GB07202) (6 Feb 1943-19 May 1944).

    I am sure they are all ground personnel as they have trades listed such as Fitter A.E., Fitter General, Fitter IIE, F.M.E., Carpenter, Fabric W., Batman and Waiter, etc. Many of these service personnel served at No.34 OTU from 1942 until they "Got The Boat Home" in May 1944. Therefore I am interested in learning more about them. I have checked the CWGC website as well. Just hoping there was another way of identifying them.

    Regards,
    Christian
    Last edited by PennfieldParish; 2nd February 2011 at 23:56. Reason: Addtional information...

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    Christian,

    I think you probably know this already, but unless there is mention of the individuals concerned in the immediate sources that you appear to have already checked, you have very little chance of discovering more about them.

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    Charles William Bowers was a trainer in teleprinting and after serving in Canada returned to England

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    Christian, Hi,
    Interesting list of names. As Jonny states this problem looks like the proverbial "needle in haystack" - with the additional proviso that one doesn't know which haystack to start looking in!!
    I - as is my wont - looked at (at least) some of the names through the "other end of the telescope". There seemed to me to be rather more than the average number of "non-UK" family surnames. I.e.

    GB1232051 ENST, LAC. C.H.
    GB1200362 ECKTON, LAC. J.
    GB1208176 SHOTTER, LAC.
    GB1386804 TYFA, AC1.
    GB1508196 PALLIS, AC2.
    GB1215458 HANSI, AC1.

    Was this 'normal' in the early 40's? I did try to do some somewhat cursory Googling (and BT White Pages) searches but with, strangely, very indifferent (or nil) results. Is there a problem here, or am I seeing 'skeletons in the cupboard' where none actually exists? I am an expert in this form of investigation - as many of my past superiors will testify!
    Just interested.
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    Hi Peter,

    This listing of names were all part of the armament training wing of No.34 Operational Training Unit, Pennfield Ridge, New Brunswick (Canada). For the most part the majority of them remained at the base until it closed 19 May 1944 and then were sent back to the UK. Thus is my interest in trying to learn more about them...or attempting to..

    Thanks for your assistance.

    Christian
    Last edited by PennfieldParish; 11th March 2011 at 15:40. Reason: Typo. :-)

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    The reason I am interested in this is because I was born in Peterborough, UK, and lived only a few hundred metres from Peterborough(Westwood) Airfield - the home of 7 SFTS. We had a WAAF from the airfield billeted with us for some time. Whether this was before, or after, 7 SFTS upped-sticks, and disappeared to Canada, I know not.
    My caution with regard to the names list comes because I ask the question "Did the RAF post Recruits with non-UK parentage/backgrounds to Training Units at that stage in the War, rather than Front Line Units for (possible) security reasons?".
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