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    Good Morning, Botha L6126 ditched off Workington on the 7th January 1941. One of the crew, Sgt. Deyes was washed ashore on the Isle of Man on 15th January, 1941. I understand the aircraft was carrying a crew of six in total, but only one survived the ditching. I wonder can anyone supply a complete crew list for this flight or point me in the right direction.

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    Not much more to add except the pilot was F/L G Keddie who survived.

    My notes from the Form 1180 suggest six survivors and only one casualty Deyes so seven onboard.

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    Thanks Ross, that would make sense as I have been searching for losses on that date and coming up with very little.

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    Ross,
    What about following airmen - listed GRO as 1 (C)OTU and all on the Runnymede Memorial:
    Sgt William H.H. JOHNSON - 755396 - Panel 46;
    Sgt Charles E. RICHARDSON - 552210 - Panel 51;
    Sgt Philip RUTHERFORD - 759358 - Panel 51, and
    AC1 Norman SPRIGGS - 957033 - Panel 58.
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    Wouldn't the Botha be operating from Millom, with No 2 Air Observer School?

    I have the ORB, but would need to get to a microfilm reder to check it out.

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    I understand the aircraft was with 1 Coastal OTU at Silloth.

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    Crew for Botha L6126 of No.1 OTU given in ORB as:

    F/O A M Foster (Inj)
    Sgt C M Deyes
    Sgt P Rutherford
    Sgt W H Johnson
    Sgt R Galbraith
    Sgt C E Richardson
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    Many thanks for the crew info Ross, so I guess F/Lt. G. Keddie was not on board after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross_McNeill View Post
    Crew for Botha L6126 of No.1 OTU given in ORB as:

    F/O A M Foster (Inj)
    Sgt C M Deyes
    Sgt P Rutherford
    Sgt W H Johnson
    Sgt R Galbraith
    Sgt C E Richardson
    AC1 Spriggs
    Hi- Philip Rutherford was my (much older) brother and I am desperately trying to find details of what happened to him. Firstly-you guys speak in code :-) can you tell me what GRO ORB etc mean, so I understand it more, but also can anyone point me in any direction of getting a little more info, I was born several years after his death and want my family to know him a little more before I pop off. The crew list baffles me a bit, the F/O survived, Sgt Deyes body was recovered and the others who were lost are on the Runnymede memorial all except Sgt Galbraith -there is no mention of him, and some posts on here suggest a crew of 6 not 7, any help will be greatly appreciated.

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    Hello Marion

    nice to see you on the forum, when replying please refrain from using the quote function so that the same text does not get repeated over and over, cheers

    The ORB is: Operations Record Book - its the daily diary of the unit the aircraft and men were flying with. For this a training unit, its in the UK National Archives in Kew.

    The GRO is the: General Register Office, the body in England and Wales that since 1837 or there abouts have recorded the borths, deaths and marriages of people in those countries. They are the folks from whom your woudl obtain a death certificate.
    www.gro.gov.uk

    In this case, the GRO list we are referring to is a list of RAF airmen and women who deaths occured overseas or were lost at sea during the war. It was a mechanism to allow them be issued with a UK death certificate.

    The following names are all listed on the Commonwealth wargrave commishion for that date, please check them on the cwgc.org website

    DEYES CM 944330 - 07/01/1941 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    GALBRAITH RM 553780 - 07/01/1941 ROYAL AIR FORCE
    JOHNSON WHH 755396 - 07/01/1941 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    RICHARDSON CE 552210 - 07/01/1941 ROYAL AIR FORCE
    RUTHERFORD P 759358 - 07/01/1941 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    SPRIGGS N 957033 - 07/01/1941 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE

    Thats six names recorded as killed, one survivor.

    Roderick M Galbraith 553780 (Wireless Operator/Air Gunner) must also have been recovered from the sea and he is buried in his native Scotland.

    Ross or one of the others might be able to send you the Form 1180 crash report or you can apply to the RAF Museum in Hendon for a copy.

    best regards

    Dennis

    Roderick Mclean Galbraith's death seems to be registered in Soctland, I cannot see C M Deyes death registered in either jurisdiction.
    Dennis Burke
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com

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