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    F/Sgt Ted Clarke RCAF, about 20 years old was lost Nov 26/43. Does anyone have list of full crew or record of their fate? CWGC has them in 419 Squadron.

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    Hello,

    Bomber Command Losses volume 5, page 405, has the following :
    26/27th november 1943, Op Stuttgart Halifax II LW242 VR-N 419 Squadron
    Sgt S.E. CLARKE RCAF
    Sgt C.F. KIRSCH
    F/O W.R.E. NORTH DFC
    P/O A.W. DOUGLAS
    F/L S.A.H. GLASSPOOL
    F/Sgt F. FIELDING
    Sgt L.H. MATTHEWS
    all KIA
    took off at 1716 from Middleton St George. Believed yo have fallen near Sankt Ingbert, where all were buried on 30th November. Since the cessation of hostilities, their remains have been brought to Rheinberg War Cemetery. Their average age was 20. end of quote.

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    Joss:

    Thanks for posting the loss record. However, there are some major descrepancies with the CWGC files. The CWGC, other than F/Sgt Clarke has crew from 408 Sq, all well north of 20 years and lost without trace(Runnymede Memorial). Is this a mixup in records from 6 group?

    From REAP THE WHIRLWIND (Dunmore/Carter), W/C A.C. Mair was lost without trace from 408 Sq...the BC LOSS record appears to match better with the senior officer.

    Clarke arrived in England in Jan./43. Under normal developement, he would have only been into his first month of ops. My understanding was that he had RCAF crew?? Perhaps someone with 408/419 ORB's could sort this out.

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    I have the following information for this crew from the 419 Squadron History:

    Command selected two major targets for practically simultaneous
    treatment on the night of 26 November, those being Berlin and Stuttgart.
    The Moose Squadron was concerned with the latter, on which was engaged
    the smaller of the two forces operating that night. Only five of 178
    aircraft despatched to Stuttgart, the diversionary target, failed to return,
    and one of those bore the identifying letters of 419 Squadron. It was manned
    by Sgts. S. E. Clarke, L.P. Webster, J.R. Henderson (RAF), J.V. Dillon,
    J. L. Truax, J. D. Wittingham (RAF), and E. W. Chalk. All were
    subsequently presumed killed on this, their second operation together.

    A search of the Bomber Command Museum, Virtual Memorial confirms the RCAF Crewmen from 419 were killed on this date.
    http://www.bombercommandmuseum.ca/memorial/

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    Hello,

    Ari, I'll have another look at the book tonight, or someone else can check if I haven't started with one entry and slipped to another entry in the typing process... If so I'll edit my earlier post.

    Joss

    Indeed, while trying to hold the book open and typing the names, I started with one entry and ended with another... Sorry for that.

    408 Squadron Lancaster II DS723 EQ-B op : Berlin
    W/C A.C. MAIR DFC RCAF
    Sgt C.F. KIRSCH
    F/O W.R.E. NORTH DFC
    P/O A.W. DOUGLAS
    F/L S.A.H. GLASSPOOL
    F/Sgt F. FIELDING
    Sgt L.H. MATTHEWS
    t/o 1716 from Linton-on-Ouse. Lost without trace. All are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial. F/O NORTH and F/L GLASSPOOL were Navigation and Signals Leader respectively.

    There's a picture of DS723 in existance, from memory in an old issue of aircraft illustrated (back for the early 70es)

    419 Squadron Halifax II LW4242 VR-N op Stuttgart.
    Sgt S.E. CLARKE RCAF
    Sgt J.D. WHITTINGHAM
    Sgt L.P. WEBSTER RCAF
    Sgt J.V. DILLON RCAF
    Sgt J.E. HENDERSON
    Sgt E.W. CHALK RCAF
    Sgt J.L. TRUAX RCAF

    All KIA, text as per my post #2

    Joss
    Last edited by jossleclercq; 4th April 2011 at 16:18. Reason: correction (can't edit my earlier post)

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    Deep in a google, this info popped up:

    www.flugzeugabstuerze-saarland.de/St._Ingbert_Bomber.pdf



    The google tranlation is not good but report does indicate shotdown by flak. I can't get a handle on who was the MUG. Sgt. Truax perhaps?? I was trying to pin MUG as being from Banff, but there seems to be omission in the official doc's. A 2 op crew of 20 year olds doesn't generate too much history. F/Sgt Clarke must have gone throught some vet like introspection. His childhood friend and best buddy had been killed a few weeks earlier in 207 Sq.
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    Joss,

    The photograph of Lancaster II DS723, of No.408 "Goose" Sqn., referred to in Post #5, appears here:

    Lancaster IIs of the RCAF in the Battle of Berlin. by Fred J. Hatch.
    Aircraft Illustrated. January 1973. (Vol.6, No.1) pp.10-13 (photo pp.10-11).

    The caption reads: Lancaster II DS723 EQ-B of 408 "Goose" Sqn takes off from its base at Linton-on-Ouse, Yorkshire.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 7th April 2011 at 03:48.

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    Ari,

    Following Chorley's the MUG would have been Sgt. Chalk.

    According to RCAF Casualty List 775 published 10 January, 1944, Sgt Truax was from Maxville, Ontario. He was 20 at time of death.

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ari View Post
    F/Sgt Ted Clarke RCAF, about 20 years old was lost Nov 26/43. Does anyone have list of full crew or record of their fate? CWGC has them in 419 Squadron.

    Thanks Ari
    Just found this site, many thanks to all for info. My uncle James Lyall Truax flew with F/Sgt Ted Clarke, I believe. All crew members are buried together at
    Rheinberg cemetery, plots 18-24.

    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/ca.../2033056/TRUAX, JAMES LYALL

    http://www.aircrewremembered.com/Bom...earch/?q=truax

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