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    hello
    was wondering if anyone could help me with this little mystery.
    a friend of mine owns a flight log from 1943.

    The flight log on RAF Form 441 contains the following information;

    Squadron 4 A/C Number 2316 Letter J Date 20.1.43
    Captain Sgt. E. W Graham Navigator Sgt. J. A. Cotton 2nd. Pilot Sgt. R. H. S. Edwards

    Target - Rouen Docks
    Special Orders Lincoln/Beachy Head/Rouen/Dover/Lincoln
    Alternative - Le Havre. To be airbourne by 2017 hrs.

    There are loads of entries re. weather conditions, course, heights and speed along the journey plus winds forecast.
    Visibility was good and they actually took off at 2000 hrs
    By 2121 hrs they had to alternate their course to avoid enemy fighters

    By 2152 they commenced their run up to Rouen Docks and when above target at 2154 hrs bombs were dropped and were on target

    The flight home was uneventful and they arrived home at 2313 hrs


    i,ve been making enquiries around the web and as far as i can make out, squadron 4 was a reconnaissance unit ?...i also cant find any info on attacks on rouen
    on that date.....and what plane would they be flying with a crew of 3?

    any information would be gratefully recieved..
    many thanks
    sketch

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    Hi
    From RAF Squadrons by C G Jefford, at the time 4 Sqn were a Fighter Recce Sqn equipped with Mustang I's,which makes the presence of a Nav a puzzle along with the presence of 2 pilots.As I am sure you are aware 3 do not fit into a Mustang.The Mustang came to the Sqn in May '42 but did overlap with the previous a/c the Tomahawk IIa. until Apr '43. In Dec 43 they recieved Mosquito XIVs which remained until May 44. Your crew list is a puzzle. Does your source allow for the possibility that more than 1 a/c was involved?
    Up until Jun 42 the Sqn had flown Lysander IIIa's and I suppose that an example could have been retained on the Sqn.It could explain 3 on board and the fact that they re-routed to avoid fighters and carried bombs. You quote a 4 digit number that might be an a/c serial if there was a letter in front of it.I f it was J2316 it could be early enough to have been a Lysander but I don't have the Air Britain book to check it. Sorry I can't help any further
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    i,ll post a photo of the log when i get home from work....see if that helps any

    cheers

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    found it ! ...already had it uplaoded


    http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p3/vicosk8/FlightLogPart1001.jpg

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    Let me muddy the waters even further.

    The forecast is probably based on the 1300 GMT (1400 BST) charts, and although I don't have the British ones to hand the German on-line equivalent (http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsslpeur.html) does not show a depression over southwest as is described on the form. That apart if the depression was moving northeast I'd have expected the forecast winds to have either a S'ly or SW'ly component. Dangerous to be too dogmatic about this without seeing the British charts, but for the winds to be NE'ly as shown on the form, a significant depression would needed to have been over northeast France during the evening of 20th and that was unlikely in the extreme.

    Brian.
    Last edited by Lyffe; 5th May 2011 at 15:25. Reason: Grammar

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    Hello,

    Could this be a Squadron within an O.T.U. ?

    A search through CGWC, London Gazette etc... could possible provide additionnal informations about provisional Squadron(s) of the 3 mentioned airmen.

    Joss

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    Can you give a sample of the other pages fo the log, is this an isolated flight with unit 4 or are there more?

    What other aircraft references are there? Do any of the A/C references have five digits or letters, the single page is a little out of context perhaps without seeing where they were otherwise.
    Dennis Burke
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    Hello,

    I think that mean not aircraft from 4 Squadron but, 4 aircraft from the squadron ....

    So could be well a flight from an OTU ...

    Alain

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    has anyone the history of Blenheim T2316 if its not in a blackout block.
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    make a stab at

    1800419 Rex Henry Samuel EDWARDS (154781). Commishioned in 1944 and served up into the 1960's. Died in 2005.
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