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    Default 4 BGS West Freugh accidents on 5.6.1941

    Hi all,

    I would like to ask if anybody has available ORB for 4 GBS (from 14.6.41 4 AOS) or RAF West Freugh station.
    I have read a note about few extraordinary situations on this day, in all of them was acting a pilot Sgt Cowling. There is stated that the first aircraft had problem "with engines" (? it means they were already flying on Bothas?). Pilot made emergency landing (not stated where, possibly at airfield) and took off again with another plane. First flight was ok but the second one was the same as in the first case - engine problem and the pilot was lucky enough not to ditch.

    I am looking for any details about this events like, plane types, serials, full details about Sgt Cowling and other crew members.
    Also I am interested when Bothas became used for training...

    Many thanks in advance for any additional information.

    Pavel
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    Hi all,

    I would like to ask if anybody has details for following airmen from the aerly was years, partucularly summer 1941 - as you can read above - I am looking for Sgt Cowling who was a pilot with the 4 BGS/AOS at the time.
    Using the LG I found following two candidates:

    ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE.
    GENERAL DUTIES BRANCH.
    To be Pit. Offs. on prob. (emergency):
    Flt. Sgts.
    15th Oct. 1941.
    740554 Lionel Richard COWLING (111770).

    740000-759999 Jan-37 RAFVR Pilots


    ADMINISTRATIVE AND SPECIAL DUTIES BRANCH.
    To be Actg. Pit. Offs. on prob. (emergency):
    3rd Oct. 1941
    Leonard William COWLING (107573).

    TIA

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    Pavel,

    Please can we confirm the dates you are researching for 4 BGS?

    I can find reference to Battles but not Bothas in June 1941. They come along in accidents later in the year (October/November).

    Colin Cummings

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    Hi Colin,

    yes he was for sure flying Battles - training flights with air gunners-cadets.
    But in this case when there were mentioned "engines" not only "engine" I was thinking it may be already a Botha but it can be simply a mistake.

    So I am interested in Battle accident of 5.6.1941 with the 4 BGS

    Thx

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    Colin,

    can I hijack this thread and ask if there is any/much mention of

    F/Lt Kazimiers BARONOWSKI P-0557

    in the 4 BGS records? He was the pilot interned in Ireland on 24 April 1941 having landed with Battle V1222 in County Waterford. He was released in 1943.
    Dennis Burke
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    Default Botha and F/Sgt Cowlin

    My father Kaare Stenwig, a norwegian, was an observerpupil at West Freugh from July 21th untill
    September 12th 1941. His first trainingflight as bombaimer, was with F/Sgt Cowlin in Botha W5022 on
    July 29th.

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    Hi Dennis,

    I looked at the ORB (AIR 29/546) for this unit back in 2002. I only made one note from it.

    24-4-1941 "Fairey Battle aircraft piloted by F/Lt. Baranowski on triangular practice flight over Irish Sea, lost his way and landed in Eire, between Waterford and Tramore. Pilot interned."

    That was the only reference to this incident. I probably did not check for any earlier mention of him in the ORB, but there may not have been anyway.

    Regards,

    Martin.

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    Default 4 BGS West Freugh accidents on 5.6.1941

    For some reason there is no mention of this in my notes of the same ORB. Air-Britain RAF Aircraft T1000-V9999, says Battle V1222 landed near Waterford, Eire, while lost 2.4.41; sold to Irish Air Corps.
    The ORB says Botha re-equipment commenced 10 April 1941.

    Keith

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    Hallo Keith,

    The date in the Air-Britain RAF AIRCRAFT T1000-V9999 (and THE BATTLE FILE) is incorrect. Perhaps a typo, but more likely an error on the AM Form 78 for V1222 ? I can confirm that the 24th is correct, from both the 4 B&GS ORB and from the Irish military records on the landing.

    It would have been easy to miss the entry in the ORB as it is so small and has no serial.

    Regards,

    Martin Gleeson.

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    Thanks chaps, should have known you'd have reviewed it Martin!

    Thread hijack over, back to Fl Lt Cowling.

    Interesting input for Mr Stenwig above.
    Dennis Burke
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