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    Hi All,

    I have a list of airmen from Geoff`s site and am trying to find out if any were aboard an Anson N5086 that crashed at Rhosilli, Gower, Glamorganshire on 23/2/40. Pilot was F/Sgt W.C.Parkes and one of the pupils was LAC A.R.Sutcliffe.

    Here is the list of those other names, can anyone at least tell me the place death was registered? as this should narrow it down.


    Name: WEBSTER, FREDERIC ARTHUR
    Initials: F A
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Leading Aircraftman (Obs. U/T)
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Date of Death: 23/02/1940
    Service No: 759344
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Coll. grave 614.
    Cemetery: SOUTH SHOEBURY (ST. ANDREW) CHURCHYARD

    Name: BREESE, GERALD
    Initials: G
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Sergeant (Pilot)
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Age: 19
    Date of Death: 23/02/1940
    Service No: 754722
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: 2nd North Reserved Border. Row A. Grave 42.
    Cemetery: GRIMSBY (SCARTHO ROAD) CEMETERY

    Name: HEAD, DOUGLAS WATLEY TURNER
    Initials: D W T
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Aircraftman 2nd Class
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force
    Age: 17
    Date of Death: 23/02/1940
    Service No: 639225
    Additional information: (served as TURNER, DOUGLAS WATLEY). Foster-son of Mr. and Mrs. J. H. Head, of Shepton Mallett.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Western Area. Row J. Grave 54.
    Cemetery: SHEPTON MALLET BURIAL GROUND

    Name: LEDSHAM, WILLIAM
    Initials: W
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Aircraftman 2nd Class
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force
    Date of Death: 23/02/1940
    Service No: 630792
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: New Portion. Grave 4325.
    Cemetery: CHESTER (OVERLEIGH) CEMETERY

    Name: MACKENZIE, ROBERT JAMES
    Initials: R J
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Aircraftman 2nd Class
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Age: 19
    Date of Death: 23/02/1940
    Service No: 910346
    Additional information: Son of John George and Florence Mackenzie.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Block 12. Grave 370.
    Cemetery: WANDSWORTH (STREATHAM) CEMETERY


    Many thanks in advance.

    Regards
    Dave

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    Dave

    FreeBMD.org.uk is updated now to inlcude the wartiem death registrations so you can check them out yourself.

    if you find one name, then just search for that district, vol number and page number to see who else is on that page and subsequent.

    In this case one finds

    Deaths Mar 1940 (>99%)
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    Hopkins Daniel 66 W.Glamorgan 11a 2312
    Parkes William C 27 W.Glamorgan 11a 2312
    Sutcliffe Andrew R 26 W. Glamorgan 11a 2312
    Webster Frederick A 34 W. Glamorgan 11a 2312

    You can see that Parkes and Sutcliffe are on same page as Webster

    the next page 2313 has only a 74 year old man,

    the previous page 2311 has two males

    Grove Ivor J 34 W.Glamorgan 11a 2311
    Leadsham Willimm 19 W. Glamorgan 11a 2311


    You ought to find all the names in the same casulty lists also.
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    Breese is registered in Maidenhead
    D head not showing up in England in 1940
    MACKENZIE shows up in Grimsby.

    breese has been discussed before:
    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?8100-Two-Tiger-Moth-losses-Feb-Mar-1940

    indeed we gave you the answer to this previously in December 2007!!!
    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?212-Anson-N5086-S.wales-23-2-40

    Dude! Search function!
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 29th June 2011 at 18:07. Reason: added link
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    Breese

    23.2.40 Tiger Moth G-ADIC 13 EFTS Littlewick Green, Berks. SIG Sgt Gerald Breese, RAF(VR) 754722, was killed 23rd February 1940, flying Tiger Moth G-ADIC - G-ADIC failed to recover from a practice side-slip and spun into the ground at Littlewick Green, Berkshire

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    Thanks Dennis,

    I knew this had been discussed a while back but couldn`t get it to come up in the search facility so thought link must have been lost.

    I still appear to be one man missing though, four were killed according to the 1180, but all we have is

    Parkes, Sutcliffe & Webster.

    I am wondering if AC2 Ledsham was the other man? He seems to be the only other one that ties in.

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    That's clear from. Both the thread above and the previous one Dave, all four are in same district, adjacent pages. Reason I presented them.
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    May confirm that I've PARKES, SUTCLIFFE and WEBSTER on the Anson N5086.
    BREESE (registered Maidenhead) on the Tiger Moth G-ADIC.
    HEAD (served as TURNER - registration place unknown) and MACKENZIE (registered Grimsby) both DOAS.
    Still on my long list of airmen unaccounted for is AC2 William LEDSHAM - 630792 who was KOAS. What was his place of death registration ?
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    I mentioned it above guys, and also mentioned in the old thread

    There is a name

    Headsham, Willimm aged 19, registered in the West glamorgan district, entered on page 2311 of the death regtister. The other three names are on page 2312 of the same register.

    Thus we have

    William Hedsham age 19 on CWGC
    versus
    Willimm Headsham age 19 on death register index

    The other three mens names are entered in page 2312 of the death register.

    So I'm more than happy to beleive that there was a spelling change/error in the surname in the death register or the index and they included a typo on his christian name.
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    There is a Douglas W Turner, aged 17 listed in the Chippenham district for Q1 of 1940.

    If his RAF documentation stated the the name Turner rather than Head, he would thus appear as Turner in the register I guess.
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    Hi Dave,
    Remember the death registers are commonly filled in by a clerk taking dictation from the reporting person. LED and LEAD would sound the same phonetically for Ledsham and if no-one thought to spell it out, or ask for spelling, it could explain the Register entry
    Regards
    Dick

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