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    Default 3775 Sqn Ldr Francis William Scott TURNER, 76 Sqn

    Squadron Leader Francis William Scott Turner of Shoreham Sussex, was a pilot and flight commander on 76 Sqn during 1943. On 22 Sep 1943 he lost his life during a raid on Hanover. Alas, I have not been able find any thing else about him in the London Gazette, Flight & Aeroplane magazine archives - apart from the CWGC casualty details of 22 Sep 1943. Halifax LK645, MP-S was shot down by a night-fighter flown by Feldwebel Anton Benning 8 Staffel./Jager Gruppen 300) and crashed 22.35 hrs. at MORSUM, North-East of VERDEN. Squadron Leader Turner went down with the aircraft. Should anyone have any further details about this bomber pilot I would be very grateful, thank you.
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    TURNER, F/L Francis William Scott (37775) - Mention in Despatches - unit unknown - awarded as per London Gazette dated 1 January 1941. Born in Merritt, British Columbia, 1914; home on Salt Spring Island; educated privately and at Vancouver Technical College. Enrolled in RAF as Provisional Pilot Officer, 20 April 1936; commission confirmed in February 1937 after which he was posted to a bomber squadron. Took part in daylight operations on 4 September 1939 (No.107 and 110 Squadrons). AFRO 1000-1001/42 dated 3 July 1942 (award of DFC) and AFRO 2322/43 dated 12 November 1943 (reporting him missing) identified him as a Canadian in the RAF. Air Ministry Bulletin 7376 refers. Killed in action with No.76 Squadron, 22 September 1943.

    TURNER, S/L Francis William Scott (37775) - Distinguished Flying Cross - No.419 Squadron - awarded as per London Gazette dated 26 June 1942. Citation published in RAF Quarterly, December 1942. Public Records Office Air 2/8755 says it was put up when he had 32 sorties (139 operational hours) to his credit. These figures appear low; could they be No.419 Squadron time only ? See also Air 2/8755 which dates the recommendation from 1 May 1942.

    "This officer has had a long experience of operational duties by day and night. He took part in the attack on the German fleet off Heligoland on the 4th September 1939, and in a number of subsequent daylight attacks on Heligoland and Wilhelmshaven. Since January 1940 he has completed numerous sorties including attacks on the enemy's industrial centres and dockyard towns. He has displayed courage and keenness throughout and has performed excellent work in organizing his flight and training the crews."

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    Thank you very much Hugh, just what I wanted. I had the wrong number and wrong nationality

    Norman
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    Hi Norman,

    Could this be the same fellow?

    23/24 March 1940
    149 Sqn
    Wellington IA P9225 OJ-
    Op: Reconnaissance

    Took off 1930 Mildenhall to reconnoitre the Weser and Elbe rivers and to investigate the Mitteland Kanal near Minden. After completing the operation and while crossing the French coast near Dunkerque, the Wellington was crippled by anti-aircraft gunfire. Turning inland the crew baled out near Hondeschoote (Nord), a town near the border with Belgium. The crew arrived back in England, via the boat train service, on 26 March 1940.

    F/O F W S Turner
    F/O J F M Hewett
    Sgt H Dean
    AC2 Fairgrieve
    AC2 Smith
    P/O J D Hargreaves

    See: BCL1/33

    Anyone have a copy of Johnston & Carter's, Strong by Night, and can check for Turner's forenames?

    Col.
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    Hello Col,

    I'd like to think so but cant be certain as this is the first mention of 149 but it does fit the time scale. This much I do know:

    He was a Canadian in the RAF and came from British Columbia. He went under the nickname of 'Roscoe Turner' who I believe was an American or Canadian aviation personality. His service number was 37775 not as given in the title.

    1938. Posted to 107/110 Sqn Blenheims (I dont know in which order)
    1940. Posted to 149 Sqn ?
    1941, Jan 1. Mentioned in Dispatches
    1941, Apr. Promoted to FO
    1941. Promoted to Flt Lt
    1941, Dec 16. Promoted to Sqn Ldr
    1942, Jun Posted to 419 (RCAF)Sqn Wellingtons as OC 'A' Flight under Wg Cdr Fulton
    1942, Jun. Awarded the DFC
    1943. Posted to 76 Sqn Halifaxes as OC 'B' Flight under Wg Cdr D C Smith
    1943. Promoted to (A) Wing Commander
    1943, Sep 22. Killed-in-Action

    Thank you for your help
    Andy Cap is fine and well
    Norman
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    The only reference I can find in "Strong by Night" is when 149Sqn was formed using a nucleous of Personnel/aircraft from "B" flt of 99Sqn at Mildenhall on 12th april 1937. To paraphrase ... Officers transfered...Pilot Officer F W Turner ... equipment ... six "Nivo" (green)-coloured HP Heyford Mk IIIs.

    From "Strong by Night" , John Johston.

    Also checked the 1941 ORB and Apps .... no further mentions.

    Alan F
    Last edited by 149Nut; 24th July 2011 at 15:04. Reason: More info

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    Update on 03775 Sqn Ldr Francis William Scott Turner DFC MiD. I have one year missing from the service history of Canadian bomber pilot, 3775 Francis William Scott Turner DFC MiD . I've tried every trick in the book but cant find where to go next. Can any intrepid researcher give me a pointer or anything to help figure out what he was doing between #July 1940 and when he turned up with 23 OTU as a chief flying instructor sometime during mid 1941?. Perhaps there was a place /pre training that pilots went to before taking up the post of chief flying instructor at a OTU? Here is the most up to date list of his service history which supersedes the list in post 5

    1914 - Born Merritt B.C. Canada
    1919 - Privately educated at home by a Governus
    1934/35 - Gained Degree in Engineering Vancouver College
    1934/35 - Learnt to fly in his local area which is where I think he became a great chum of the legendary John 'Moose' Fulton, another 'Canadian in the RAF .
    1935 Dec - Sailed to England (following Moose Fulton) to become a Canadian bomber pilot.
    1936, Jan - Enlisted at the RAF Depot, Uxbridge, Middlesex
    1936, Feb - Posted to No. 2 FTS RAF Digby, Lincolnshire as Officer Cadet. Flew Tutor, Hart, & Fury aircraft.
    1937, Jan - Posted to No. 99 Sqn, RAF Mildenhall, Suffolk Pilot Officer. Flew Heyfords
    1937, Apr - Posted to No. 149 Sqn, RAF Mildenhall Flew Wellingtons.
    1938, Apr - Promoted Flying Officer
    1939, Sep - Took part in the attack of the German fleet off 'Brunsbuttel'. 1st tour of 'Ops' against the enemy
    1940, May - Promoted to Flight Lieutenant
    1940, Jul - Disappears from the 149 Sqn ORB (possibly something connected with his move to 23 OTU as CFI)
    GAP---------------
    1941, Jul - Reappears on No. 23 OTU as Sqn Ldr in the role of Chief Flying Instructor. 23 OTU trained Canadian crews on Wellingtons.
    1942, June - Awarded the DFC
    1942, Jul - Posted to Command 'A' Flt, No. 419 Sqn (Wellington) Mildenhall under W/Cdr 'Moose Fulton'. 2nd tour of Ops
    1943 ,Mar - Posted to No.1663 HCU, RAF Rufforth, Yorkshire for heavy conversion training on to (Halifax)
    1943, Sep - Posted to command 'B' Flt, No. 76 Sqn (Halifax) RAF Holme-on-Spalding Moor, Yorkshire. 3rd tour of Ops
    1943, Sep - Promoted to (A) WCdr

    1943, Sep - 22/23 - Shot down and killed approaching target Hanover. Coned by search lights, hit by flak, no time for corkscrewing, port wing caught fire, pilot lost control, issued bale out command . Pilot last out, first went to rear to help gunner put on his chute. Two casualties - Turner(pilot): who went down with aircraft, navigator: believed to have jumped too low. The rest got out and taken prisoner (Stalag Luft III) RAAF repatriation file for survivor Douglas Owen Cull, rear gunner (one of the 5 PoWs) now available on Australian National Archives site. It contains details of the last moments of Halifax V 'MP-Saint the Third' The pilot believed to have caught the the Halifax tail after exit.

    Thank you
    Norman
    Last edited by namrondooh; 2nd September 2012 at 10:38. Reason: rewrote opening paragraph

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    Confirm F/O Francis William Scott Turner on Wellington 1A P9225 of 149 Sqn on 23/24 March 1940

    He is on my 1940 Irvin list

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    Air 14/47

    AC2 Fairgrieve -> AC2 James Cheap Fairgrieve 630066
    AC2 Smith -- > AC2 Smith 624052

    Sorry unless anyone else can Id further I will need to spend some time on Air 78 on the Smith!

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    Later James Cheap FAIRGRIEVE, D.F.C. (49064).

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