Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: Sergeant Ian Philip POW

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    East Sussex
    Posts
    526
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Sergeant Ian Philip POW

    Could anyone help me identify how Sergeant Ian Philip (Observer) became a POW? Could you let me know aircraft, location and crew. All I know is that he was potentially captured in the Mediterranean, south of Crete in the early part of 1942 (March?). After Dulag Luft he went to Stalag VIIIB. He is not listed in "Footprints on the Sands of Time" so is probaby not Bomber Command.
    Thank you
    James

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    6,401
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 32 Times in 31 Posts

    Default

    Hello James,

    Bit vague I'm afraid, but others (Ross?) might be able to help.

    11-3-1942
    No.252 Sqn. ?
    Beaufighter ? (Possibly T4889 or T4935).

    115769 P/O (Pilot) Bernard Francis MOONEY DFM RAFVR *
    940413 Sgt (Obs.) Ian James PHILIP DFM PoW L4/24842

    * Mooney has an Australian connection - he has an A705 at the NAA., plus...

    http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47177164 (NZ or Scotland?)

    http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article50147704 (Bit of journalistic licence here!)

    and...

    Air Ministry, 16th January, 1942.
    ROYAL AIR FORCE

    The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the following awards in recognition of gallantry displayed in flying operations against the enemy :-

    Distinguished Flying Medal.

    910604 Sergeant Bernard Francis MOONEY, No.236 Squadron
    940413 Sergeant Ian James PHILIP, No.236 Squadron

    In December 1941, Sergeants Mooney and Philip were the pilot and wireless observer respectively of an aircraft which carried out an important daylight reconnaissance. Defying heavy defences, Sergeant Mooney flew over the objective at a low altitude and most satisfactory results were obtained. Some days later, these airmen volunteered to carry out a daylight reconnaissance of another objective, and much valuable information was secured. Sergeants Mooney and Philip have executed many operational missions skilfully and efficiently.

    LG 16-1-1942 pp.279-80

    As I said, vague!

    Let's see what others have to say.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 1st September 2011 at 13:36.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Prague, Czech Republic
    Posts
    3,426
    Thanks
    19
    Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts

    Default

    Hi James,

    on the Malcolm's web there is a post from relative of F/L MOONEY - I think - so maybe you can get more info from him?

    http://www.rafweb.org/Help_Wanted%20300-399.htm

    Pavel
    Czechoslovak Airmen in the RAF 1940-1945
    http://cz-raf.webnode.cz

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    East Sussex
    Posts
    526
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Dear Col and Pavel
    Thank you very much for your very helpful replies. Things that get wet in the Med are a bit off my usual radar! I will certainly see if his nephew's e-mail is still live and will have a look at what juicy documents the Australians have got in store. As usual we all wonder why the Brits cannot stick this stuff on the web. It almost makes me think there are people who are embarrassed about our heritage.
    Thank you both again for your help. If anyone is able to add more I would be very interested.
    Best wishes
    James

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    6,401
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 32 Times in 31 Posts

    Default

    James,

    To clarify the situation re MOONEY on 11-3-1942, he also was a Prisoner of War - L3/22.

    Col.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    East Sussex
    Posts
    526
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Thank you Col. That is great. I liked the newspaper articles and have e-mailed his nephew.
    Thank you again for your help.
    James

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Bewdley, UK
    Posts
    2,700
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Default

    As Col said things are confused in the various records and publications.

    The squadron is said to have lost three aircraft on ops that day.

    T4886, Tail hit water and broke away. Dived into the sea 50 miles north of Crete. (This serial is wrong and I can find no note of crew names)

    T4896, Took off for escort duties to CS.15. The Beaufighter flew into sea, lost its tail before regaining height to 50 feet then crashing into the sea and sinking immediately. (Serial suspect. Listed as flying 23/3/42 in orb.)
    Sgt J S Forder, +
    P/O R H Dunn, +

    T4935, Shot down by Me110 off Tobruk while on escort to CS.15. Rescued after 10 minutes in the water by the German ASR. (Serial Suspect.)
    P/O B F Mooney DFM, PoW
    Sgt I J Philip DFM, PoW

    On balance I think that two aircraft crashed but serials are not clear. The ORB entry for T4896 may or may not be correct but it casts doubt on the accuracy of recorded serials. Possibly a case of the scribe recording the serial of what he could see on dispersals rather than those actually flying.

    Regards
    Ross
    The Intellectual Property contained in this message has been assigned specifically to this web site.
    Copyright Ross McNeill 2015/2018 - All rights reserved.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    East Sussex
    Posts
    526
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Dear Ross
    Thank you for clarifying everything so clearly. As we all know there are many clerical errors in Log Books and ORBs, even down to aircraft flying that were never even built. I spoke to one pilot recently who was talking about his flying in the 1990's and admitted that there were several intentional errors in his log book regarding destination or passengers while moving Special Forces about so no doubt this sort of thing will come up for many many years.
    Thank you all for your help and interest. I think we can now close this thread.
    Best wishes
    James

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •