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    Has anyone information about the loss of this aircraft?

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    Default Lancaster ND451

    You must have found this by googling but here it is anyway.

    http://www.worldwar2exraf.co.uk/Aircrew%20Notice%20Board/aircrew%20notice%20board%2093.htm


    The RAAF Pilots records are not yet digistised at the NAA.

    http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch.aspx

    He was born in NZ so Errol may know something more.

    Dennis
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com

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    Hi David
    A Sqn and a date would be useful.
    Regards
    Dick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Hi David
    A Sqn and a date would be useful.
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    Dick
    Sorry my mistake. From 97 Squadron Orbs. Last aircraft listed. I have checked everywhere I know where to check but cannot find out how aircraft was lost.

    21/22 June 1944 - Gelsenkirchen

    ND589D S/L J.A.Ingham, P/O J.Pearson, P/O K.Swale, F/L J.Peden, P/O A.Tindall, F/O F.P.L.Broome, W/O T.H.Hansen. Up 2308 Down 0329. (Deputy Controller 1). 4 x TI red, 1 x TI yellow No 16s, 9 x 7 clusters, 2 flares green/red stars. 10/10ths cloud tops estimated 3,000. Target identified by yellow Oboe marker. First Oboe went down at 0135.5 hours. This was ahead. At 0132 hours another Oboe went down starboard quarter approx miles north of first Oboe. Could not back up owing to being out of position after trying to decide which was correct one. As we orbited, run in again, yellow TI fell apparently in same place as first (southern) Oboe, cascading from about 5000, which was confusing as we were not expecting more than one (at H-hour only). Saw one red TI go down some miles north of main cluster. We took over from Controller at 0120 hours as he was having engine trouble. Ordered Flare Force not to drop flares and sent Marking Force home. Ordered Main Force to bomb southerly TI at 0138.5 hours.
    ND961N S/L C.B.Owen, Sgt D.E.Lacey, F/L D.Bowes, P/O T.W.L.Leak, P/O W.D.Knowles, F/Sgt K.Forrest, W/O J.T.Stanton. Up 2306 Down 0305. 4 x TI green, 1 x TI yellow No 16s, 9 x 7 clusters, 2 flares green/red stars. Up 2306 Down 0305. 10/10ths cloud tops approx 3000. Located target by Oboe confirmed by H2S. Run up on H2S. Oboe marker dropped 0138 hours. Did just as Controller was telling aircraft not to drop flares due to cloud conditions. As soon as Oboe burst, Controller ordered Flare Force to back up yellow Oboe with TI. This we did and left target area when two concentrations of TI developed (approx - 1 mile apart). Controller ordered Main Force to bomb southern concentration.
    ND867R F/O H.W.J.Edwards, F/O W.Hannah, F/L E.C.Burt, F/Sgt J.Fairbairn, F/O K.S.Barker (Vis A/B), F/O W.E.Clayfield, F/O R.Underhill, Sgt J.Rumney. Up 2313 Down 0332. 4 x TI red, 1 x Ti yellow No 16, 9 x 7 cluster, 3 reco flares. 10/10ths cloud tops 9-10000. Vis above good. Target identified by yellow Oboe, red and green TIs. Orbited until told not to drop flares. At 0135 hours told to back up with reds which we did. Intense heavy flak was accurate. As we ran in we were told to bomb the southerly concentration. Some fighter activity over the target.
    PA979G F/L A.B.Baker, F/Sgt W.Hunter, F/O J.W.H.Oldham, F/Sgt C.R.S.Jeffery, F/L W.G.Rogers (Spec A/B), F/O G.E.Howells, F/Sgt J.B.Mitchell, F/Sgt J.E.Lenox. Up 2312 Down 0339. 4 x TI red, 1 x Ti yellow No 16, 9 x 7 cluster, 3 reco flares. 10/10ths cloud approx 5000. Target located by markers. Approached target on box. During run in starboard outer engine hit by cannon shell from fighter (Me210). H2S u/s but continued run visually on Oboe seen ahead, when Bomb Aimer reported bomb sight failure. Without bomb sight we were unable to function as Controller ordered visual backing up.
    ND807P F/L W.M.Reid, Sgt W.Richards, F/O R.D.Parker, W/O G.D.Moir, F/Sgt B.Harthill, F/Sgt D.P.Cannings, F/Sgt G.Brown. Up 2310 Down 0312. 4 x TI green, 1 x TI yellow No 16s, 9 x 7 clusters, 3 reco flares. 10/10ths low stratus, tops 2,500. Target seen visually Oboe markers and H2S. Told to drop flares. Yellow Oboe 0132.5 hours. Headed towards this to back up. Another yellow down 1 miles north of previous yellow; orders given to back up second one. Backed up the greens and returned to base. Large explosion in target area at 0145 hours.
    ND501Q F/L G.F.Baker, F/Sgt H.Townsley, P/O J.Muller, F/Sgt E.J.Watson, F/O J.F.Thomson, F/O A.H.Jones, W/O R.M.Clark. Up 2311 Down 0342. 4 x TI red No 16, 1 x TI yellow No 4, 9 x 7 clusters, 3 reco flares. 10/10ths cloud 8,000, tops estimated. TIs visible though. Target identified by yellow Oboe TIs at 0131 hours. Two brilliant yellow but smaller glows some 10 miles east by north-east of yellow TI possibly dummies. Some greens seen slightly east of yellow TI when leaving target. H2S u/s before crossing enemy coast on outward trip. Port outer engine caught fire after bombing flak in target area heavy and accurate prediction. Many fighters and one attack in which enemy fighter followed in corkscrew but was lost in a steep turn through 360 degress. Oboe marker went down on time and bombing run successful.
    JB683C F/L W.H.Benton, F/Sgt J.Rimmington, F/L J.Rogerson, W/O L.H.Smith, F/Sgt H.Abernethy, F/Sgt F.Holbrook, F/Sgt P.C.Denness. Up 2318 Down 0309. 4 x TI red No 16, 1 x TI yellow No 4, 9 x 7 clusters, 3 reco flares. 10/10ths cloud low stratus, tops 8000. Target located by yellow Oboe. All that could be seen of which was its glow on the cloud. Oboe marker went down on time at 0132 hours and almost immediately we were told not to drop flares but to back up the Oboe marker. As we left the target we saw our TIs bursts very close to the Oboe marker which was well grouped by red and green TIs and the target was well marked in close group. There were no bad strays. VHF had to be switched off most of the time owing to very bad howling and static. Y was u/s from base to target; after target we managed to get three or four fixes. Heavy flak over target was extremely accurate and very heavy and violent evasive action had to be taken as photograph was being taken. Aircraft was repeatedly hit (about 23 heavy flak holes) definitely predicted on bombing run. No searchlights or fighters were seen in target area.
    NE121E F/L K.R.Ames, F/O W.Humphries, P/O A.Wright, F/Sgt T.Savage, P/O H.Glasby, F/Sgt G.Edmunds, F/Sgt R.Parle. Up 2315 Down 0317. 9 x 7 clusters, 9 x 500lb MC, 3 red flares. 10/10ths stratus tops about 4-5000. Good visibility. Target located by yellow Oboe marker confirmed by DR. The Oboe marker was down on time at 0130.5 hours and the TIs were down in good time for the Main Force. We had to wait 9 minutes for the time to bomb and the flak was intense, predicted and accurate. Fighters seen to be active from 0500E 0630E over target.
    ND451L S/L L.A.J.McLeod, Sgt W.Reid, F/L P.A.Cunningham, F/Sgt J.H.Price, F/Sgt J.Knight, F/O H.R.Mossop, F/Sgt C.Baker. Up 2325. 9 x 7 clusters, 9 x 500lb MC, 3 red flares. Missing nothing heard from this aircraft after take off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis_burke View Post
    You must have found this by googling but here it is anyway.

    http://www.worldwar2exraf.co.uk/Aircrew%20Notice%20Board/aircrew%20notice%20board%2093.htm


    The RAAF Pilots records are not yet digistised at the NAA.

    http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch.aspx

    He was born in NZ so Errol may know something more.

    Dennis
    Thanks Dennis.

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    David,

    From Additions section of Vol Three draft of 'For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services Since 1915.

    "Wed 21/Thu 22 Jun 1944
    BOMBER COMMAND
    Raid on synthetic oil plant at Scholven-Buer, Ruhr, Germany (by 132 aircraft - 9 lost)
    97 Squadron, RAF (Coningsby, Lincolnshire - 5 Group)
    Lancaster III ND451/L - took off at 2325 and caught fire after being hit by flak at 21,700 feet over Krefeld en route to the target, and abandoned. The Lancaster subsequently crashed near Grieth, 5km NNE east of Kalkar. Five RAF members of the crew survived to be taken prisoner, while the captain and the RAF mid-upper gunner were buried at Krefeld but later reinterred at Reichswald Forest.
    Captain: Aus413409 Sqn Ldr Lewis Arthur John McLEOD, RAAF - Age 24."

    Remainder of crew were (from Chorley's 1944 Vol):

    Sgt W Reid - PoW
    Flt Lt P A Cunningham - PoW
    Flt Sgt J H Price - PoW
    Flt Sgt J B Knight - +
    Fg Off H R Mossop - PoW
    Flt Sgt C Baker - PoW

    McLeod was born at Auckland on 13 Feb 20. The family appears to have moved to Australia when he was still very young.

    Errol

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    Hi Again
    With Dennis' help, Chorley BCL Vol 5 has this as being hit by Flak whilst outbound on an Op to Scholven-Buer. It crashed nr Grieth on the W Bank of the Rhine, 12m E of Kleve. The pilot S/Ldr L A J McLeod RAAF and the W/op F/Sgt J B Knight were KIA and initially buried in Krefeld, the other 5 Crew became POW. The Date was 21/22-06-44, the a/c was OF-L of 97 Sqn and t/o from Coningsby at 2325.
    Regards
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    Thanks guys.

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