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    Default 421RCAF Spitfire abandoned nr Tonbridge? 1943

    Spitfire BS398, N? Spitfire IX. Engine. M61. Contract. Engine failed aircraft abandoned nr West Malling 23-11-43

    I gather the reason for bailing out was unknown?

    Does anyone have any more information please re locaton etc please?

    Dave

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    Just speculation, but the main cause was surely the engine failure. There could have been a fire, or just smoke in the cockpit, after the failure, or the pilot may have decided an engine off landing was not possible because of lack of available landing spaces, weather, or failing light.

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    Default Interesting

    Thanks Bill.
    I'm assuming he walked away from this incident ....whoever HE was
    Nothing in the 421 ORBs to speak of.

    Dave

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    Default 421sqn Spitfire IX

    Hello there,
    I have on 23-11-43 Spitfire IX, BS394, 421 sqn, Cat E, Map Ref R175603, Kent at 1115hrs. Cine gune ex.
    Engine fire in air, pilot baled out at 200ft, F/O RJ Grigg, RCAF, J21160 injured.
    Maybe this is not your a/c.
    Roy

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    Hi Roy. Thankyou.
    200ft is very low to bail out, he did well dont you think.
    If this is a Cassini ref (ie WR) it is halfway between Goudhurst and Marden (a place called Winchett Hill).
    A place I know well and 7 or 8 miles East of Tunbridge Wells.

    The typo is from the 421 RCAF history files so needs correction if indeed it is this Spit.
    I cant imagine how 2 Spifires from 421 would crash near Tonbridge due to engine probs on this date.
    Unlikely.

    So thanks, it sounds like the one,
    Dave

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    The web site with Spitfire production history (based, I think, on Movement Cards) lists BS394 as no RCAF history, survived the war, passed to Greece in 1948; BS398 matches David's original post.

    See http://www.spitfires.ukf.net/p031.htm

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    Thanks for the correction Bill.
    Thanks Roy, I'm sure the 394 was just a typo.

    I wonder quite how accurate the Cassini References are?

    Dave
    Last edited by david cullen; 22nd September 2011 at 13:40.

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    Default The spot

    Roy, dare I ask where you obtained the Map reference please?
    Its a Kentish Apple Orchard full of I think ripe Apples as I speak.
    Franz Von Werra crashed his Bf109 only 500 yds to the East of this spot in September 1940!

    Marden have an active group of enthusiasts who produced a survey of losses a few years ago.
    THis one is not listed.

    It would be great to add this information to their survey if in fact it was here.
    Dave

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    Default Map ref

    Hi David,
    No problem, My old friend, the late Henry Boot had the 1941-3 accident cards for reseach for his book 'Gifts of War' and he made copies for me.
    The originals were, I beleive on loan from the AHB via Ray Sturtivant and then returned. Alas neither are now with us.
    Roy

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    Default HBoot

    Hi.
    Good old Henry, he also sent me EN180s accident cards (both) and brought to my attention its Presentation name Aldabra. It got scrubbed out at some point as the RCAF vets who flew it never had heard of the name.
    I never traced any photos of it though.
    But live in hope.

    I now learn that as well as BS398, EN398 was used on the 23rd Nov on ops according to the 412 RCAF ORB.
    Griggs hit a tree and broke his leg, after bailing out of BS398.

    I was told at the NA that these cards are now at Northolt?
    Thanks alot Roy, where are you?

    Dave
    Last edited by david cullen; 24th September 2011 at 13:07.

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