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    Default No.24 Sqn. Hudson IIIA FH460 - 4-8-1944

    Hello,

    Whilst I have quite a bit on this incident, I would appreciate any further details that are available.

    4-8-1944
    No.24 Sqn.
    Hudson IIIA FH460

    Flew into high ground at Coombe Hill, nr. Wendover, Bucks, in bad visibility.

    Crew (Alpha order):

    42308 F/L (Pilot) Robert William HARDCASTLE RAF +
    362686 F/Sgt ( - ? - ) Leonard James REASON* RAF +
    45256 F/L (Pilot) George Frederick ROBERTS* RAFVR +
    136043 F/O (Pilot) Edward John SMITH RAFVR +
    AUS406605 F/O (Nav.) Arthur Milford TINDALE RAAF +
    541901 LAC ( - ? - ) Ronald Joseph WALTER RAF +

    * Reason and Roberts, were "Old Haltonians".

    This incident is not covered by Alan Storr. Tindale's (undigitised) A705 at the NAA, is incorrectly filed under service number 40665.

    There is an excellent contemporary account of the incident, but it lacks the crew detail I need:

    http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article44985678

    Corrections/additions, most welcome.

    Thanks,

    Col.

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    Hullo Col,

    The entry in "Though Without Anger" says: 'The aircraft was being ferried to its base at RAF Hendon after an overseas operation and it had been airborne for nearly 8 hours. Whilst approaching the end of the sortie, the aircraft crashed into high ground, having descended below safety height whilst still in cloud. The pilot failed to follow the correct procedures for a descent through cloud and it appears the navigator did not maintain a dead reckoning plot'.

    Just one point - what sort of 'Old Haltonians' are Reason and Roberts? I'm not well up on service numbers but I don't recognise their numbers as being ex-apprentices.

    The Other Colin!!

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    Just a thought gentlemen; Coombe Hill/Wendover is about 50 km to the west-northwest of Hendon, so the Hudson must have been way off course or completely lost.

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    You can get very, very, lost if you fly for a long period with no precise position fixing. One degree variation equals one mile astray in 60 flown or thereabouts.

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    Hi Brian/Colin,

    Thanks for the background info on the flight.

    Information on Reason and Roberts, can be found here:

    Reason (No.5 Entry):

    http://www.oldhaltonians.co.uk/pages/rememb/ROH/5.htm

    and Roberts (No.12 Entry):

    http://www.oldhaltonians.co.uk/pages/rememb/ROH/12.htm

    361601 - 370000 - Boy Entrants - July 1922 - January 1924.

    The "Old Haltonoians" site can be accessed here:

    www.oldhaltonians.co.uk

    Does the crew I quoted, check out?

    Col (In training mode).
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 27th October 2011 at 02:03.

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    Good Morning Col, from a soggy UK - I'll bet the sun is shining on your evening 'down under'.

    Apologies for the tardy response. The crew of FH460 match the details I have in my records.

    My comment about Halton 'numbers' arose because I don't know much about the allocations system in the 1920s. My father was on No: 13 Entry at Halton and his number began 56....

    Of interest to 'Halton Watchers' is the title of: King Brat. The honour goes to the oldest surviving ex-Halton apprentice. The current incumbent - who is well over 100 - was on the entry before my old man and hence was a comtemporary of Roberts.

    The other Colin

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