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    Hello everyone

    I'm going through the former pupils of Darlington Grammar School commemorated on a memorial at the School. There are 121 pupils commemorated by the School, and 50 are RAF and 1 FAA - a surprisingly large percentage judging from my previous research.

    I've managed to find details for most of them, but haven't found anything for these, so if anyone can help, I'd be most grateful:

    BALE Alan Dennis, Sgt (AG), 1894597. Killed 17/04/44, buried Darlington
    DRURY Herbert, Flt Lt, 115811. Killed 07/06/44 – possibly on LCT715? Commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial
    FORDYCE Charles William, Flt Sgt, 1029731. Killed 30/09/43, buried Isle of Sheppey
    GREAVES Arthur Seymour, Sgt, 581440, 272 Sqn. Killed 23/12/41, commemorated on the Alamein Memorial
    GREEN Leslie, Sgt (Nav), 1556380 23 Sqn. Killed 05/09/43, buried Catania War Cemetery, Sicily. Possibly with John Augustin LE ROSSIGNOL?
    GREEN Norman Desmond, Sgt (Air Bomber), 1062799, 150 Sqn. Killed 10/10/42, buried Darlington
    HAMER Ernest Raymond, Pilot Officer, 100630, PRU. Killed 29/10/41, buried Darlington
    HOLMES Alan, F/O (Nav), 103931, 45 Sqn. Killed 26/03/45, buried Rangoon
    MORRIS Lewis Trevor, F/O, 154470. Killed in Dakota near Goose Bay on 03/11/44 – can anyone ID the Dak?
    RANSON Charles, Corporal, 1540744. Killed 05/06/43, buried Darlington
    RAYNER John Leonard, Flt Sgt, 937197. Killed 16/10/42, commemorated on the Alamein Memorial
    ROWE James Richard Harold, Sgt, 8 Sqn, 569743. Killed 01/04/43, commemorated on the Maala Memorial, Yemen
    SIMMONS Francis Robert, Sgt, 38 Sqn, 1091733. Killed 23/02/44, commemorated on the Alamein Memorial
    SMART Stanley Mansfield, Sgt (Pilot), 1148283. Killed 14/09/43, buried Oran, Algeria
    WATSON Michael Litchfield, Sqn Leader, 82 Sqn, 33337. Killed 11/06/41, commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial

    Regards

    Simon
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    Might not be the same person but I have an entry from the No.24 EFTS ORB which might related to Herbert Drury.

    October 1st 1942, “A/LA Drury H. flying solo in Tiger Moth N.6868 crashed on runway under construction and killed a civilian, A. Arrowsmith employed by the contractors.”

    Checking the death index for those buried in the UK, I get the following:

    Bale, Alan D, Age 19, Newark
    Fordyce, Chalres W, Age 28, Cirencester
    Hamer, Ernest R, Age 20, Wantage
    Ranson, Charles, Age 34, Louth

    I couldn't find Norman D Green, there is a Norman Green, Age 21 registered in Scunthorpe. He was the same age as the person you are looking for.
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    As mentioned on another thread, the 23 Squadron ORB is online at Old RAF Records. It confirms that Sgt L. Green was lost along with his pilot Le Rossignol in Mosquito HX814 YP-E at 00.01 on the night of 5/6 September, 1943. Crashed on landing on return from Monte Corvino.
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    Hi Simon,

    P/O Ernest Raymond HAMER was a member of 'E' Flt 1 PRU. He was flying Spitfire PR.IV AA801 and was KIFA 29 Oct 41 when his aircraft crashed near Watchfield whilst carrying out a camera test.

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    Green is in BCL 3.

    Wellington BK311, crashed approaching Elsham Wolds.

    Bale is recorded in BCL 8, Lancaster I W4232 of No.5 LFS, crashed near Syerston.
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    Hi Simon
    Sgt N D Green died with all but one of his crew in a training crash at Elsham Wolds. The a/c was a Wellington III,BK311 of 150 Sqn and carried a 6 man crew at the time. Green's position on the a/c seems to have been as the W/op.The Wellington seems not have carried a specialist Air Bomber and the bombs would normally have been aimed by the Nav moving into the nose for the purpose. The details come from Bomber Command Losses Vol 3 by W R Chorley.He does state in the introduction the aircrew positions of each type of a/c(hence the placing of Green as the W/op) but he does point out that it is not always possible to be precise from the sources that he had available and the normal crew of a Wellington was reduced from 6 to 5 at about this time so one of those on board could have been supernumary,perhaps to gain experience on the a/c
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    Simon,

    Here is the information you require on Sgt N D GREEN:

    10-10-1942
    No.150 Sqn.
    Wellington III BK311:JN-
    Training.

    Crashed 1521 while approaching Elsham Wolds. At the time of the crash, the wind was gusting quite strongly thus causing the pilot to lose control as he neared the runway. A fire developed and the Wellington was burnt out. Sgt Allworth died from his injuries.

    566527 W/O (Pilot) Edwin Henry HERBERT MiD RAF +
    AUS405372 Sgt (Obs.) Reginald ZISER RAAF* +
    1062799 Sgt (Air Bomber) Norman Desmond GREEN RAFVR +
    R/95104 Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Norman Clifford MEYERS RCAF +
    1259356 Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) William Henry ALLWORTH RAFVR - Injured, died later the same day.
    AUS406855 Sgt (Air Gnr.) Thomas Victor BROWN RAAF - Injured

    BCL3/237, needs a further update!

    * On 4/5-6-1942, Sgt Ziser RAAF, was injured when 27 OTU Wellington IC X9699 crashed off the end of the Bassingbourn runway. See: BCL7/124.

    Col.
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    Col
    My BCL3 p237 is from a 1997 reprint and gives the crew as
    Allworth pilot
    Ziser RAAF 2nd pilot
    Herbert Nav
    Green W/op
    Meyers RCAF a/g
    Brown a/g,the only survivor after Allworth's death
    Chorley's introduction seems to indicate this although he does recommend caution in taking it literally.I don't have another source but I haven't looked at CWGC which may give an indication
    EDIT from CWGC Clearly a revision would be useful as CWGC has Herbert as a pilot and Allworth as W/op ag, there is no aircrew category for Ziser
    Regards
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    Hi Simon,

    The following units listed in the RAF Overseas War Deaths 1939-47

    Sgt S.M Smart - 3 A.D.U (Aircraft Delivery Unit)
    F/S J.L Rayner - Com Unit Western Desert (Communication Unit Western Desert)
    F/O L.T Morris - 84 SP Goose Bay (84 Staging Post)
    F/L H. Drury - HMS Bulolo

    Mark

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    Many thanks indeed for all the replies so far.

    Just to add some further information after a Google search, Sgt Hamer's Spitfire suffered a structural failure in flight and the wreckage was taken to the RAE for investigation work in January 1942.

    Regards

    Simon

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