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    Default 61 OTU February 1944 RAF officer identities

    I have a copy of a group photo from 61 OTU probably taken about February 1944. The group includes four RAF officers, presumably senior staff of the OTU, captioned as "S/Ldr Shaw, W/Cdr Brothers, G/Cpt Finlay, S/Ldr Sinianin". Peter Brothers and Don Finlay are well known, but I would like to identify S/Ldr Shaw at least by his first name, and above all the mysterious "S/Ldr Sinianin" (google doesn't produce anything for that name).

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    hI Voytech , i am at work at the Moment , but i will later see what i can find out re my records on 61 OTU , AND THE UNIT orb , ANY CHANCE I COULD SEE A COPY OF THE SHOT , THIS MAY HELP
    until later phill jones

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    Hi VoyTech

    I wondered where you had got to...

    It's a bit of a long shot but I am wondering whether it might be S/Ldr John Thornhill Shaw who appears in this photo http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/UK1467

    Happy Christmas

    Steve

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    Hi Voytech,

    i have found the following in the ORB.


    29th June 1943 - "S/Ldr N A Sinanian posted in for CGI duties".
    5th July 1943 - "F/Lt (A/S/L) SINANIAN permitted to retain the acting rank of S/Ldr w.e.f 18.6.1943"
    24th December 1943 - "F/Lt J Shaw appointed A/Rank of S/Ldr w.e.f 16/10/1943
    Therefore we can establish one as Norman Adrian Sinanian (81276).

    I'll keep looking for more on Shaw. In the meanwhile, could I see a copy of the photo please? My email is tomthorne83ATyahooDOTcoDOTuk.

    Cheers,

    Tom

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    Thanks for all your input.
    Tom and Phill, pic sent.

    Good to have F/Lt Sinanian's identity sorted out.

    I tried to find a F/Lt (A/S/Ldr) J. Shaw in the London Gazette in 1943 or 1944 and I got A/S/Ldr John Thornhill Shaw DFC (108962), RAF VR, No. 32 Squadron, awarded the DSO on 20 August 1943. But if that was him in No. 61 OTU, he would have surely been entered in the ORB as 'F/Lt J Shaw DSO DFC', wouldn't he?

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    S/Ldr John Thornhill Shaw joined 61 OTU in October 1943, so the timeframe fits.

    John Engelsted

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    When I look at the link Steve has posted and at the 61 OTU photo I have, I really don't think it's the same man.

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    On a second thought (after some off-site persuasion from Steve), I admit that the S/L Shaw in my photo is likely to be A/S/Ldr John Thornhill Shaw DSO DFC.
    Once more thanks to everyone for your input.

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    Default Greetings, and a request

    Hello to forum members, I am the grandson of Sq/Ldr John Thornhill Shaw DSO DFC.
    For sentimental reasons I am investigating the life and times of "Johnny" and this is a request to anyone who may be able to help with photographs, documents and stories or anything else that I'd find interesting.
    I have the info from the "aces of wwII" website, and thank you to Steve who posted this picture: http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/UK1467
    This is a photo that I had previously not seen.
    I will do my best to answer any questions, although my knowledge of his wartime escapades is limited...
    My email is mattnshaw@hotmail.com, please feel free to make contact
    Best Regards
    Matt, SonOfJohn

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    Hello,

    SHAW,J.T.
    D.S.O. LG: 20 Aug. 1943 Acting Squadron Leader.
    D.F.C. (108962), Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, No.32 Squadron
    "In recognition of gallantry and devotion to duty in the execution of air operations"

    John Thornhill SHAW. Born in Worksop, Nottingham, 23 April. 1916; Son of Roland Shaw and Delia Ellis.
    Married Doreen.
    Educated: Naislworthy Coll.[sic], Adelaide.
    Enlisted in the Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, 18 May 1939.
    Served in the ranks, 748190 Sgt Pilot.
    No.3 Sqn., Jun. 1940 - Oct. 1941.
    Served on night fighter ops.
    (108962), P/O (P), 7 Oct. 1941.
    CO Manston Night Intruder Flt., 22 Oct, 1941 - May 1942.
    A/F/Lt. 27 Dec. 1941.
    Served on night fighter ops.
    D.F.C. LG: 27 Mar. 1942
    "This Officer has been engaged on operational flying since November 1940. He has taken part in operations against enemy aircraft by night, in numerous daylight sorties over enemy occupied territory and in many attacks on shipping. Flight Lieutenant Shaw has led his detachment with ex ceptional skill and keeness and he has destroyed at least 3 enemy aircraft."
    War Subs. F/O (A/F/Lt.) 27 Mar. 1942.
    Staff Offr., Tactics Br., H.Q., Fighter Comd., May 1942.
    A/S/Ldr., 21 July 1942.
    No.32 Sqn., Aug. 1942 - Oct. 1943.
    War Subs. F/Lt (A/S/Ldr.) 21 Oct. 1942.
    Served in the Middle East incl. North Africa.
    D.S.O.: "Sqn. Ldr. Shaw, now on his second tour of operational duty, has led his squadron on a large number of operational sorties. These have included night intruder sorties, low-level machine gun attacks, convoy patrols and sweeps." (Flight, Sep. 1943).
    Rested, May 1943.
    No.32 Sqn., Jun. 1943 - Oct. 1943.
    Served on fighter ops over North Africa and Sicily.
    Chief Instr., No.61 O.T.U., Oct. 1943 - Feb. 1944.
    US Army Cmd. and Gen. Staff Coll., Feb. 1944. Graduated with 'A' Grade May 1944.
    CO. No.122 Sqn., May 1944 - July 1944.
    Belgian Officer., Order of Leopold with Palme and Belgian Croix de Guerre 1940 with Palme. LG: 27 Jun. 1947.
    CO. Trg. Wing, No.57 O.T.U., 8 Aug. 1944.
    CO. Trg. Wing, No.55 O.T.U., 8 Feb. 1945.
    A/W/C., 9 Feb. 1945.
    War Subs. S/Ldr., 9 May 1945.
    Close Army Support Crse., Apr. 1945.
    Cdr's Crse.Cranwell, Jun. 1945.
    OC No.6 Air Crew Holding Unit, Kirton Lindsey, Jul. 1945.
    Appt'd. to a permanent commn. as S/Ldr., 1 Sep. 1945.
    W/C (Flying) Blakelaw Sector, Se. 1945.
    Sr. Offrs. Radr Crse., 1 Oct. 1945.
    Awarded the Air Efficiency Award, 1946.
    W/C. 1 Jul. 1952.
    2nd T.A.F.,
    A.F.C. LG: 1 Jan. 1954.
    G/C. 1 Jan. 1959.
    Retired 23 Apr. 1966.
    Employed as Trg. Mgr. H.C.I.T.B..
    Died in Worpleston, Surrey, 1976.

    See:
    Companions of The Distinguished Service Order 1912 - 2006. Airf Awards.
    Hearns, Doug V.P. C.D.
    Uckfield:Naval & Military Press,2011.
    p.329.

    See also:
    Aces High.
    Shores,Christopher & Clive Williams.
    London:Grub Street,1994.
    p.542.

    and...

    Aces High Volume 2.
    Shores,Christopher.
    London:Grub Street,1999.
    p.173.

    Col.
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