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    Default 91 Sqn, Flt Sgt J. H. Hymas, shot down 23 Jan 1944

    91 Sqn's Flt Sgt J. H. Hymas was shot down over France in Spitfire XII, MB832, on 23 January 1944, and was captured.

    Does anyone have Hymas' forename, please?

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    have you checked AIR78 files on TNA?
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    Hi Dennis

    No, I haven't, but I can't visit the NA any longer as I'm now based Downunder.

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    The AIR78 RAF airman microfilms are now digitised and free to view on the UK TNA.

    Go too

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/digital-microfilm.asp

    Click on the title of the AIR78, not the AIR78 link itself.
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    Hello Steve,

    He came down in my area so I've made some researches about him. He was John Henry HYMAS, service number 1321217. Born 28th April 1923, from his PoW questionnaire. He was wounded, and in fact inconscious during the crash. He remained in Lille Hospital from February to June 1944, when he was transported to Stalag IXC.



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    There is a picture of him in FlyPast August 2006 page 37.
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    Hello Henk,

    Actually it's a picture of MB832 DL-V after her accident on 6 June 1943. This picture is also in Peter Hall's book about No. 91 Squadron published by Osprey.

    She was repaired and her new code was DL-X, checked against Henri de Bordas' log-book.

    Actually the ORB of No. 91 Squadron shows Hymas flying EN234 when he went missing.

    Joss
    Last edited by jossleclercq; 20th December 2011 at 08:32.

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    Thanks Dennis; I wasn't aware the indexes were online, and had a look. I tried to download the relevant images, but gave up as the pdf was 250MB, and after 15 minutes my box hadn't downloaded even 10% of that! Am I doing something wrong? Is there an easier way?

    Thanks Henk and Joss, too. Joss, thanks in particular for Hymas' forenames and particularly the clarification on the serial.

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    yes, they take a while to download, but have you the time to fly x amount of hours back to the UK to look at them on microfilm, they'll be slow to download at times.
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    Hello,

    I downloaded one AIR78 file once, and indeed, it took ages for my slow connection. And I was slightly disappointed, as I was expecting something like a condensed version of a service record.

    I'll have to download another AIR 78 file, as I have a Stirling crewmember whose ID still evaded me. I have his name and initials from Chorley, but he didn't fill in a PoW questionnaire apparently, or it's misplaced, and I just want to eventually have his first names. And the AIR 78 file is my last option, as luckily he has a not too common surname.

    Back to Hymas, here is a quick translation of what I had written about him 3 years ago : on 23 January 1944, U.S. 9th Air Force carried out raids ont V sites near St Omer. No. 91 Squadron provides 12 Spitfire XII as escort. They took off at 15:05 hrs. On the way back (target was Renty), the Spitfire flown by F/Sgt John Henry HYMAS is last seen by the other pilots before reaching the French coast. Back home, his pals think he had engine troubles. In fact, he was intercepted by Feldwebel Schwarz of 4./JG 26, who claims a Spitfire V nord of Fort Philippe at 15:37 hrs. Spitfire XII EN234 coded DL-X actually crashed far inland. The wounded pilot was initially treated in Hesdin hospital.

    Looking back at "The JG26 War Diary" by Donald Caldwell, I see that Schwarz claim is not listed, and I don't remember where I picked up this detail. Alzheimer's desease already ?

    I don't wish to release the crash location of this Spitfire on the board, as there are too many illegal digs in the Pas-de-Calais, even if the location is actually plainly given in my friend Hugues Chevalier's book, for which I've done this research.

    As you know, the Mk XII was basically a Spitfire Mk V airframe with a Griffon engine, so the confusion of type is really minor. That same day, Wiegand claimed a Boston shot down, it was actually a B-26 Marauder... We all know these sorts or confusions.

    Still, I'd be interested in Spitfire experts opinion about EN234 and MB832 "duality".

    De Bordas flew EN234 twice on 21 January (ramrod 468 and ramrod 470), as per the ORB, and his log-book records DL-X twice on that day.

    All is sure is that HYMAS was flying a XII and crashed in a small village in northern France on 23 January 1944.

    Joss
    Last edited by jossleclercq; 20th December 2011 at 08:54.

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