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    Default Evan

    Sergeant Edmondson Peter Greenhow. RAFVR. Service Number 1059800. Shot down North Africa 05/12/1941.

    Am writing an article for the parish mag in Torteval, Guernsey. His sister Faith Feak (nee Greenhow) has given me some info. She believes he was flying a Hurricane when killed. I think it could have been a Tomahawk.

    Would welcome any info on the circumstances of his death.

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    Default Sgt edmondson

    EVAN , UNCONFIRMED REPORTS STRONGLY SUGGEST TOMAHAWK AN 347 OF 250 SQD , this a/c was shot down by ME 109 ,fighters. nr EL-ADEM, while flying an escort mission .

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    Agree yr man was almost certainly flying a 250 Sqn Tomahawk (got no info on airframe serial number).
    However, he is on the Alamein Memorial. This would seem to suggest that no "identifiable" remains were ever found? Phill's "nr El Adem" would suggest that the crash occurred at high speed on to the limestone plateau around El Adem? El Adem is 20 miles from the Mediterranean (shot down into the sea quite often results in "No Known Grave"). The plateau rises steeply from the fairly sandy coastal plain at the turn-off on the Tobruk-El Adem road near the French Cemetery (32.007N 23.969E). And at that stage of the N African War the Allies were advancing past the El Adem/Tobruk area. Thus one would have expected the airframe/pilot remains to have been found. Or had the Afrika Corps already disposed of them? It was also December - the best time to be in that area, whether one is fighting or just visiting. I am, therefore, just suggesting that "nr El Adem" and his being on the Alamein Memorial may, possibly, be mutually inconsistent?

    Presume you have the CWGC entry? If not, herewith

    Initials: E P
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Sergeant
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Unit Text: 250 Sqdn.
    Age: 19
    Date of Death: 05/12/1941
    Service No: 1059800
    Additional information: Son of the Revd. Edmondson Nelson Greenhow, M.A., and of Kathleen Clare Greenhow (nee Cumber), of Torteval Rectory, Guernsey, Channel Islands.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Column 243.

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    Default Sgt Edmondson

    On 5 December, 14 MC.200s of the 153o and 157o Gruppi, accompanied by 14 G.50s of the 20o Gruppo, provided close escort for 40 Italian and German Stukas, including nine Picchiatelli of the 239a Squadriglia, that were sent to attack targets in the Taieb el Esem-Bir el Gobi area. Top cover was provided by high-flying Bf 109Fs of I. and II./JG 27. Fifteen miles south of El Adem the Axis formation encountered seven Tomahawks of 112 Squadron and 12 more from 250 Squadron, led by Squadron Leader Clive "Killer" Caldwell.
    112 Squadron reported taking off at 11:20 led Flight Lieutenant Charles Ambrose (AK475) and including Flying Officer John Soden (AK377), Pilot Officer Neville Duke (AN337/GA-F), Sergeant Rudy Leu (AK354), Pilot Officer "Jack" Bartle (AN372/GA-Q), Pilot Officer Neville Bowker (AK509) and Pilot Officer Joseph Sabourin (AK457). They sighted a formation of 30-40 Ju 87s in vics of three, supported by 20-25 G.50s and MC.200s as close escort. Twelve Bf 109s were flying as high flank cover in two groups of six and there may have been about three MC.202s. On sighting the Tomahawks some of the Ju 87s immediately jettisoned their bombs, but the majority, more daring, started the bombing dive. 250 Squadron started after the Ju 87s and 112 Squadron engaged the fighters. The G.50s and MC.200s stayed up as the Ju 87s went down and in fact started to climb towards the Bf 109s. There was a general mle and all the aircraft were mixed up. The Ju 87s got involved with the retiring Italian fighters and, to add the distraction, there was a hail of fire from the ground. Pilot Officer Bowker destroyed three Ju 87s (two of which blew up in the air) and damaged a G.50 south of El Adem. He noted that when a Stuka was knocked out of the formation, the remainder closed up and continued stolidly towards their target. Flight Lieutenant Ambrose claimed a G.50 and a MC.200 as probables in the Tobruk-El Adem area. Flying Officer Soden attacked a Ju 87 and shot its tail off, which fell off by degrees as the stricken aircraft dived. A Bf 109F that he shot at lost its cowling and cockpit hood but was not seen to crash and it was claimed as a probable. Sergeant Leu attacked a MC.200 from out of the sun, which spun in. He also attacked a Bf 109F, which "seemed to falter in the air" and then dive, but he did not see it crash but it was credited as a probable. Pilot Officer Sabourin shot down a Bf 109E, which fell in an uncontrollable spin with smoke coming from it, and a G.50, which also fell burning. He claimed a Ju 87, which crashed near El Adem and also damaged a G.50, a Bf 109E and a Bf 109F. Pilot Officer Bartle shot down one Ju 87 and chased a G.50 over El Adem where it was shot down by its own flak. Bartle claimed it as his victory as the enemy aircraft had been destroyed because of his action!
    112 Squadron's casualties were Pilot Officer Duke, who spun in from 10,000ft down to 2,000ft and belly landed at Tobruk having been hit in the leg by an explosive shell. His radio had failed and his cockpit had sanded up so that he hadn't seen his attacker until cannon shells started hitting his aircraft.
    Known claimers among 250 Squadron were Squadron Leader Caldwell, who was credited with shooting down five Ju 87s, two of which were Italian-flown and damaging a MC.200. Sergeant "Bob" Whittle (AN313) claimed two Ju 87s, with one more initially claimed as probably shot down but this was later upgraded to a "confirmed" after that it had been found crash-landed. Sergeant William Cable claimed two Ju 87s and one damaged while Pilot Officer Francis Albert Creighton claimed one Ju 87 and one damaged Bf 109. Flight Lieutenant Rose claimed a probable Bf 109.
    250 Squadron lost four aircraft when Pilot Officer Coles was shot down and wounded as was Sergeant McWilliam, both returning the next day. Sergeant James Ross Gilmour (RAF no. 1365007) and 19-year old Sergeant Edmondson Peter Greenhow (RAF no. 1059800) were both shot down and killed.
    The pilots from JG 27 claimed five P-40s without known losses. These were claimed by Hautpmann Wolfgang Redlich of 1./JG 27, who claimed one at 12:05 south of Bir-el-Gobi, Unteroffizier Horst Reuter of 5./JG 27, who claimed one at 11:43 south-east of Bir-el-Gobi, Leutnant Franz Klp of 6./JG 27, who claimed one at 11:45 over Bir-el-Gobi, Oberleutnant Gustav Rdel of 4./JG 27, who claimed one at 11:55 north-west of Bir-el-Gobi and Unteroffizier Josef Grimm of 1./JG 27, who claimed one south of Bir-el-Gobi.
    The Italian fighters claimed ten victories, one of them by Tarantola of the 151a Squadriglia, 20o Gruppo. No Italian fighters were actually lost in this combat. However, several G.50s were hit and one pilot slightly wounded, and one MC.200 of the 153o Gruppo was damaged. Having had the radiator of his fighter holed, the unnamed pilot had to make an emergency landing at Ain el Gazala.
    At least two Italian Ju 87s seems to have been lost while a third Italian dive-bomber was severely damaged, being forced to land off the runway. Three other Italian Ju 87s were hit by anti-aircraft fire.

    taken from an internet search

    A little bit more to the story
    bw phill jones

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    Default Sergeant Edmondson Peter Greenhow. RAFVR

    What has been written above is correct for the loss of Sergeant Edmondson Peter Greenhow, and is confirmed in one of the 250SQN logbooks that I have a copy of.

    The SQN records for this period are very thin, however combat reports from that sortie also exist, however the actual AM ORB forms do not, nor does the SQN diary show any detail.

    AN347 was one of the 4 aircraft lost by 250 SQN on this day, however I haven't been able to associated a pilot with the aircraft.


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