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    Hi,

    On 20 december 1944 a V2 landed alongside n 341 and 345 dispersals. One officer and two airmen killed. The officer was lieutenant Lents (30803) but I do not know the names of the airmen. Who knows ?

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    Hello Bertrand

    I have only just noticed this request on RAFC - I hold the book "Antwerp B70 1944-45" (ISBN90-72547-19-5) by Jean Dillen (in Dutch Belgian), and whilst I have "read" through the entry about 20 December I can see no reference to Lieut Lents. I am happy to scan the page and e-mail it to you if you wish to read the entries for that period.

    As you can imagine the book contains quite a few photos of French pilots/ground crew - including a visit by General Valin.

    Allan
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    Thanks for replying Allan. I just find today inside the French ORB of n329 unit also on B70 with 314 et 345 - that with Ltt Lents/Lenoir two gunner died. I suspect they are not French. Who knows ?

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    I suspect the two airmen killed by the V-2 at B70 Deurne were:
    Leading Aircraftman Albany James MANATON - 1460082
    Leading Aircraftman Walter WOOD - 1501351
    Both of them shown as 341 (French) Sqdn.

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    thanks Martyn for replying and send these two names. I did not know them.

    Bertrand

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    Bertrand / Martyn - unless your Squadron was different to the format in use at the time in 2TAF they would not be serving on 341 Squadron itself, but on the Service Echelon, most probably 6341 SE, which would have its own ORB.

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    Yes Allan ; not for n341 sqdn of course 6341 SE or maybe with Wing 145. Unless I'm not clever to look in Kew's archives I did not find anything like ORB on the 6341 SE

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    Hello Bertrand

    It doesn't always follow that 6341SE would be tied to 341, but it generally works that way. What you probably need is an appendice to the 145 Wing ORB that either shows a convoy running order, which would list each vehicle and show which unit operated that vehicle, and if something like Signals, as per Dad, you then know that it belongs to Wing HQ, or simply a document listing all units, something for your next NA visit.

    In the case of 125 Wing they had two other rank fatalities, post war in Denmark, for 6137SE, and they warranted a few mentions by name and rank, sadly a boating accident in poor weather.

    AIR29/812 is the ORB for 3053 SE, so take a look in that range of numbers and see what turns up.

    Do a Google search for 6341 Servicing Echelon, it gave at least one hit on rafweb.org, not for Deurne, but you might find a list of other 145 Wing units on the airfield listed, and work from there. Update: it is at Tangmere that it lists 145 Wing HQ, in August 1944, with 329, 340 341, plus 6329, 6340 and 6341 SE, so in the case of 145 Wing the Squadron number and appropriate SE matched each other, so that is a positive.

    Good luck, more if I find it

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    Allan
    Last edited by allan125; 11th March 2017 at 18:55. Reason: additional details about another SE to help the search
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    The file at Kew I would look at first would be

    AIR 10/3961 Location of Units in the Royal Air Force July 1944-Dec. 1944 Issue 46-51

    This was a publication which (as the name explains) tells the nominal location of units but also includes further context by showing where each fits into the command structure (Wing, satellite etc.). The format varied a bit during the course of the war and I have seldom looked at the 1944 editions but I am pretty sure it will show all the things mentioned and may include what aircraft they were equipped with as well.

    Hope this helps,
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    Thanks Bruce, that might help if Bertrand cannot find it in AIR29

    Cheers

    Allan
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