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    Default Aircrew Losses RNZAF, RAAF, RCAF, SAAF, Coastal Command

    I have a photo showing eight airmen infront of an Anso along
    with an instructor. The rear reads:

    O.P.S. Some of the young airmen receiving a lesson in map reading, before
    going on a test flight.

    left to right,
    Acting P/O M. A. G. Mason (N. Zealand),
    Acting P/O G. J. McFarland (New Zealand),
    Acting P/O D. G. Spence (N. Zealand)
    Acting P/O C. A. McGow (Queensland)
    Acting P/O A. C. Rowe (N. Zealand)
    Flight-Sergt. G. Kennedy DFM (giving instructions)
    Acting P/O W. M. Osborne (S. African)
    Acting P/O D. A. Young (Australian)
    Acting P/O A. J. Pinhorn (British Columbia)



    I have looked up the names on the CWGC and have found the following:

    Miles Arthur George Mason, 206 Sqn, Missing 11/02/1941

    Grenville James McFarland, killed 10/05/1940

    Anthony James Pinhorn DFC, 206 Sqn, Missing 06/01/1944

    There is also possible match (if one of the initials is incorrect) with
    Douglas James Spence, 274 Sqn, Killed 30/04/1941.

    I would be grateful if anybody had any further information on the airmen
    relating to their service and loss. I would especially like to find out how
    McFarland was killed as the CWGC do not mention a Squadron, and when Kennedy
    won his DFM.

    Any information at all would be great.

    Johnnie

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    Hello Johnnie,

    I've this on McFarland:

    10/05/1940: Training, UK

    Type: Blenheim Mk IV
    Serial number: L4889, AY-?
    Operation: ?
    Lost: 10/05/1940
    Pilot Officer (Pilot) Grenville J. McFarland, RAF 42413 (NZ), age 20, 10/05/1940, Bury Cemetery, Huntingdonshire, UK
    T/o Upwood. On return to base, stalled and came down 2240 at a spot know locally as Green Dyke. Until recently P/O McFarland, a New Zealander, had been head prefect at Nelson College. He had left New Zealand 6 May 1939 to join the RAF. See the <a href='http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/cenotaph/RecordDetail.aspx?SearchID=658267&Ordinal=1&Origin alID=29362'>Cenotaph Database</a> for his photo.

    Sources: CWGC, and Errol Martyn, For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services Since 1915 (Vol One: Fates 1915-1942); <a href='http://www.epibreren.com/ww2/raf/17_OTU.html'>17 OTU Losses 10/05/1940-30/06/1940</a>

    Regards,

    Bart

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    Thanks for that. I have never used that web site before.

    The photo is of the same man, so that is certainly one
    of the group identified.

    Johnnie

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    11 February 1941.

    P/O M A G. Mason 42417

    206 Squadron
    Hudson I T9350 VX-J.
    Op: Emro Patrol.

    Took off Bircham Newton 21:03 hrs. Ran out of fuel at night on the return leg and was abandoned in fog off the coast of Caithness at 01:13 hrs.


    RAF Coastal Command Losses Vol.1. Ross McNeill.

    Regards
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    Hello Johnnie,

    Can you maybe post this photo?

    Regards,

    Bart

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    is it possible to post images on the forum?

    If so can you tell me how I do it, and I will add it.

    johnnie

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    Anthony James Pinhorn DFC, 206 Sqn, Missing 06/01/1944

    S/L. A J. Pinhorn DFC and crew in Fortress FA705 encountered U 270. Pinhorn sent a sighting report but after that there was silence. It appeared later that the Fortress had attacked the U-boat and been shot down.
    The award of the DFC for S/L. Pinhorn had only been announced the day before his final sortie.
    The submarine was damaged in the attack and had to return to St. Nazaire.

    'Naught Escapes Us' the story of 206 Squadron RAF. Peter G. Gunn

    Regards
    Peter

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    Hello Johnnie,

    Now you've asked - no, i don't think it possible to directly post photo's here. What you can do is send me a scan of the photo, I'll put it online and make a link to it from here.

    But I can only put it online if there are no copyright-problems. You've the permission of the legal copyrightholder to publish it?

    Regards,

    Bart

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    I have no idea who the legal copyright holder is. Its a war time press photo (stamped
    LNA LONDON NEWS AGENCY) so I'm not sure who holds the copyright or if it may have
    expired.

    Johnnie

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    Hello Johnnie,

    Normally the copyright lasts until 70 years after the death of the maker of a work (text; photo). In this case, a war time press photo... difficult. As far as I can see on Google the London News Agency doesn't exist anymore; think If I publish the photo with a caption that they were once published by this agency and that anyone who thinks he or she is the owner can contact me, no problems will arise.

    Regards,

    Bart

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