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    Hi,
    On the internet there is a reference about F/L Roy Daines DFM and bar saying:

    "Roy Daines joined the RAF as soon as he was able, and after completing his hurried training as a pilot, was posted to join 247 Squadron in the autumn of 1940. Here he flew Gladiators and Hurricanes on coastal patrols, 247 being the only squadron to fly Gladiators during the Battle of Britain, before converting to nightfighting Hurricanes. Later, in 1943, he flew Typhoons with 247 before being posted to join 65 Squadron flying Spitfires and Mustangs.ď

    Unfortunately, I canít find anything else about F/L Daines anywhere...
    Does anybody help?
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    Mojmir

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    Mojmir, Possibly your man, but no sign of DFM*:
    Air Ministry, 30th January, 1945.
    ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE.
    GENERAL DUTIES BRANCH.
    Appointment to commission.
    As Plt. Offs. on prob. (emergency):—
    Flt. Sgts.
    19th Dec. 1944.
    1335426 Royal Douglas DAINES (189194).

    Air Ministry, 13th February 1945.
    ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE.
    GENERAL DUTIES BRANCH.
    Notification amended.
    30th Jan. 1945 (p. 629, col 2) concerning Flt. Sgt. Royal Douglas DAINES (189194) for Royal read Roy.

    Air Ministry, 13th July, 1945.
    ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE.
    GENERAL DUTIES BRANCH.
    Confirmation and promotion.
    Plt. Offs. (prob.) confmd. in appts. and to be Flg. Offs. (war subs.): —
    19th June 1945.
    R. D. DAINES (189194).
    Regards, Terry

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    Thank you very much for your help Terry. I'll continue searching...
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    I thought this thread would have generated more interest. On the face of it, and with no intention to belittle anybody, there is a claim that a particular person was the recipient of a DFM and Bar, but there seems to be no entries in the LG. Is anybody able to confirm the awards? Regards, Terry

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    I have looked at Taberner (both DFM books), Carter (both DFC books) and Maton (everything WWII) and can find no reference to any awards for gallantry or distinguished service for Daines.

    The RAF Museum has a cardex system which, until the 1950s or so, recorded all awards to RAF personnel. The cards are the orginals and are in manuscript. I suggest a call to the Dept of Research and Information Systems at the museum would quickly establish if there were any awards, such as a Mention in Despatches or an overseas award, that were made to this man.

    Sometimes and with the passage of the years, a comment that somebody had been recommended for something, translated into a 'fact' that they had been awarded something. A well known example is that many people thought that Ludovic Kennedy's father, captain of the armed merchantship Rawalpindi, had been awarded a postumous VC for attacking two German warships but he received no such award; Captain F F E Fegan of the Jervis Bay, sunk in almost identical circumstances, did get a VC.

    Regretably, individual's attainments are sometimes exaggerated and subscribers to this site might recall the 'SAS officer' wearing an impossible combination of medals at a parade in Nuneation a couple of years ago.

    One last thought; what does the second initial in Daines christian names stand for and is there any possibility that he might have 'double-barrelled' his name?

    Colin Cummings

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    Mr Roy Daines was a volunteer of the Tangmere Military Aviation Museum .
    (http://www.tangmere-museum.org.uk/news_story.php?id=71)

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    "Roy Daines joined the RAF as soon as he was able, and after completing his hurried training as a pilot, was posted to join 247 Squadron in the autumn of 1940. Here he flew Gladiators and Hurricanes on coastal patrols, 247 being the only squadron to fly Gladiators during the Battle of Britain, before converting to nightfighting Hurricanes. Later, in 1943, he flew Typhoons with 247 before being posted to join 65 Squadron flying Spitfires and Mustangs.ď

    Mojmir am I right in assuming that it is aviation art websites who are selling prints signed by this chap that has brought it to your attention? Maybe the best course of action would be by emailing the artists/websites pointing out your concerns and asking if they can verify the claims they make of the people who sign their prints. If they are inflating the value of these prints by adding veteran's signatures then it becomes a bit more serious than someone embellishing their war record. Interestingly all the other signatories on those sites have a wartime photo attached to their "CV" yet Mr Daines' doesn't. Hopefully there is an innocent explanation, I once worked with a bloke who changed his name to that of his mothers maiden name in his late 20's after a family bust up, so in effect a search of any official documents of his current name for previous actions would have drawn a blank.

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    Pete

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