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    Default 85 Years of SAAF -- Lookup Please Tiger Moth, serial 2102

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    Can anyone who has access to this pleaselet me know what it says about Tiger Moth, serial 2102 - It is supposed to have been lost in a fatal incident on 7/9/1942

    Please can you let me know what it says about this aircraft, the crew/location and/or any other Tiger Moth incident for SAAF on same day

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    Paul

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    Paul

    Details are:
    2102 of 2AS ex-T7858 desp'd UK 22/7/41 spun in and crashed/dbf Randfontein; LAC AHB Mackay 1335668 apparently died the next day.

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    Default Tiger Moth serial 2102

    Hello,
    Tiger Moth 2102 SAAF.
    From 85 years of SAAF, page 106.
    2102 - 84227 - 22.7.41 - T7858 - spun in and crashed/dbf Randfontein 09.9.42.
    So first is the date differs from the date you have.
    page 118 - 2102 - 09.9.42 - LAC. AHB McKay (k) RAF (doi 10.09).

    page 163 - Airspeed Oxford 3473 - Mechanic took off, crashed at Kimberley 07.09.42.
    page 170 - 3473 - 07.09.42 - LAC TR Wilson (k) RAF, LAC R Whiffen (k) RAF.

    Two Miles Masters collided with fatalities. Date given as the 8th.
    A 4 SQdn SAAF Kittyhawk AK880 was lost to e/a pilot Lt. BR Douglas baled too low and was killed on the 7th.
    Tomahawk AN399 "T" a 5 Sqdn a/c was lost- 7th Lt. PF Cowan safe.


    All for now
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    I was hoping to tie LAC R Whiffen to this incident on 7/9/1942 but obviously not!


    We have already established LAC R Whiffen was not in Oxford 3473 on 7/9/1942

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    Hello,
    I see from the CWGC site and Geoff's website that LAC T R Wilson RAFVR was laid to rest in the Presbyyterian section at Kimberley(West End) Cemetery.
    Looking at the on site map the Cemetery was very well laid out and all denominations were separated.

    I also looked at the sites for Whiffen RAFVR ( 7-09-42 )at Durban (Stellawood), He is at rest in Block F grave 274.
    Next to him at rest is LAC F T Wilkinson RAFVR ( 8-09-42 ) who is at rest in Block F Grave 273.

    So, as it is accepted that on the 7th September 1942, Oxford 3473 came down at Kimberley, and that it would seem that LAC T R Wilson was the only occupant . Could it be that Whiffen and Wilkinson were in an unrecorded accident (type unknown) in the Durban area on the 7th with Wilkinson dieing on the 8th ?

    Then again, the Two Miles Master's that were in collision, serial number 2638 P/Pilot V T Cockroft SAAF (k) and Lt. W H Kelly SAAF (k) and serial number 2716 P/Pilot J J H Robbertse (s). Could it be that Wilkinson was a second man in 2716 ? Which still leaves us with no information on Whiffen ?

    On the 10th a 27th A S Miles Master 2695 crash landed and caught fire, P/Pilot F J Scheepers SAAF (k) and Lt. T S Susman (s).

    A Boston III serial AL289 from 24 Sqdn SAAF was lost night training, flew into the ground on the 10th with Lt. R T E Morrison SAAF (k) and A/Sgt D W Reynolds SAAF (k).

    Also on the 10th Sqdn Ldr L I Godden RAF reason of death not known.

    And that rounds off the 7th to 10th Sept 42 in the region as far as I can tell.

    All for now
    Alex
    Last edited by Alex Smart; 21st January 2012 at 19:20.

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    re: 2102 of 2AS ex-T7858 desp'd UK 22/7/41 spun in and crashed/dbf Randfontein; LAC AHB Mackay 1335668 apparently died the next day.


    All thanks for your input.. Just looked at 2 Air School ORB Mackay accident was on 8th Sept 1942, he survived crash and was washed out and died on the 10th.. His statement was not signed but says 'since deceased' so may have died as as a result of accident but was well enough to verbally provide a witness statement on 9th (btw he was on second solo flight) .... However all documentation (and there is at least 5 or 6 pages of it) says it was Tiger Moth was 2142!
    Last edited by paulmcmillan; 22nd January 2012 at 00:38.

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    Default Tiger Moth 2102 ?

    Hello Paul,
    If it helps.
    2102 - Spun in Randfontein - was T7858 - 84227 - To SAAF 28.02.1941
    2142 - crashed - no detail's - was T8115 - 84427 - To SAAF 21.04.1941 - PSOC 01.01.1947

    info from 85 years and T1000-V9999.
    Note: Manufacturers c/n much alike may have caused some error at the time. But the delivery dates are not same so maybe service records will help solve which a/c it realy was ?

    All the best
    Alex

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    Hi Paul,

    F1180 gives 2102, sole fatality LAC MacKay crashed 9th Sept 1942 at 08:40 hrs.

    A/c executing a right hand turn spun in and caught fire.

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    Ross
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