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    Hello,
    I would like to know the name of the squadron adjutant in 619 Sq, during 1944.
    If someone has this information, thanks !
    Alain.
    PS: what was the fonction of this man ? administrative only ?

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    The Adjutant was the official assistant to the Commanding Officer, although NOT his deputy (there was always an official deputy in military units). However as Adjutants in RAF units during WW2 were often older non-flying men, or "Great War" veterans, they also frequently functioned in a fatherly way to the often much younger airmen (including young aircrew officers) on flying units. They also (reputedly) knew everything and everybody on the unit, whereas the Commanding Officer often did not (or could not remember!), and often overlooked certain rules when and where he considered it appropriate.
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    Having been an Adjutant, albeit Army, the role of the 'Adj' is firmly in the G1 or personnel piece. Specifically you are responsible to the CO for all formal Discipline issues. In addition, duties would also include career management for officers in the unit, keeping the CO on the straight and narrow with regards to rules and regulations, oversight of the unit admin office, deaths in service and any gash jobs that fall outside everybody else's remit. A somewhat thankless task!

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    Not sure about the Navy (who is?). But an Army, or RAF, Unit would not - and did not - function as an effective fighting Unit unless the Adj was on the ball. Not just the Adj, but the whole host of unsung Clerks Admin, Clerks Sec, etc, and all the other assorted "Scribblies" under his control. Without him, and them, a lot of what was accomplished would have been made very much harder, if not impossible!
    Been an Adj. Fighting the Bean Counters and the Civil Servants was as equally a daunting a task as fighting the enemy - but, in most cases (but not all), not as dangerous!
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    Jonny and Resmoroh,
    Many thanks for some real insight into the duties of the "Adj", one of the unsung heroes of military units who kept the show on the road. As guessed at by Alain at the beginnnig of this thread, the Adjutant's work is usually described as "Administration", but this term certainly covers a multitude of skills.
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    A good Adjutant could make a squadron; a bad one could almost ruin it. No.406 Squadron had a magnificent fighting CO in "Moose" Fumerton, but he was unskilled in management and left too much to an Adjutant who was a disaster.

    Two of the most effective RCAF Adjutants were Joseph Chasanoff (No.427 Squadron) and J.E.R. "The Saint" St. Amour (No.425 Squadron). It was said that if you looked up "charisma" in the dictionary you would find his picture there. For more on both men, see http://www.airforce.ca/index2.php3?page=wwii
    Last edited by HughAHalliday; 24th November 2007 at 00:43. Reason: More appropriate wording

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    Thank you for your very interesting answers.
    Is it possible to find the name of an Adjutant in an ORB ?
    Alain.

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    "Is it possible to find the name of an Adjutant in an ORB ?"

    Sometimes it is mentioned in the Form 540 (daily narrative) - much depends on the diligence of the person compiling the ORB (sometimes the Adjutant himself, sometimes supervised by the Adjutant).

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    I found that the 619 squadron Adjutant was F/O G M Burdett, would anyone has informations on this man ? Thank you for your help !
    Alain

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